The state benefits system mega-thread.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Osem

Then again, I'd like to think that the unemployed would consider community work a useful contribution to society in return for benefits whilst your average criminal and anti-social types would consider it a punishment. Same work perceived differently...

I would also agree with that. If it was voluntary only.

They want to abolish the something for nothing culture by bringing in a something for nothing policy. I find that quite ironic.

[Osem]

I want to know where all these 'signers-on' are going to be housed...

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Osem

I want to know where all these 'signers-on' are going to be housed...

They'll just contract the work out as usual to A4E and the likes.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It'll be interesting to see how welfare work scheme affects the Jeremy Kyle viewing figures.

At least nobody should be sitting about all day on the state suck.

They'll save money on leccy bills by not being at home too.

Of course all this pesky doing stuff for benefits could be avoided if the lazy slobs decided to take back the jobs the migrant workers are accused of stealing .

Originally Posted by martyh

Of course all this pesky doing stuff for benefits could be avoided if the lazy slobs decided to take back the jobs the migrant workers are accused of stealing .

wont be able to till we get rid of the freedom of movement act until then there will still be 5 unemployed for every job and over 40 for some low skilled jobs

But magically they will be able to find work to be done for free what a surprise. And all the sheep go baa baaa good get the shirkers

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Of course all this pesky doing stuff for benefits could be avoided if the lazy slobs decided to take back the jobs the migrant workers are accused of stealing .

Here we go. blame the bloody migrants.

at one time the government would be having a conference discussing how we as a country can create jobs and cut down the unemployment figures by way of real help.

but Dave has a plan where the conference is about how we can punish the unemployed, and make a rule where if they can't find a job (that wasn't there in the other conference) then we punish them severely.

like the bedroom tax.
if they can't find one of these 1 bedroom properties that aren't there. and will never be there. then we punish them.

the workers are ok with it. because they've been brain washed into thinking the unemployed are to blame for everything in this country. and they think that Dave really has this big reward for them once he's destroyed Britain.
(with their backing)

I haven't the heart to tell them that Dave is coming for them next.

Originally Posted by Gary L

Here we go. blame the bloody migrants.

at one time the government would be having a conference discussing how we as a country can create jobs and cut down the unemployment figures by way of real help.

but Dave has a plan where the conference is about how we can punish the unemployed, and make a rule where if they can't find a job (that wasn't there in the other conference) then we punish them severely.

like the bedroom tax.
if they can't find one of these 1 bedroom properties that aren't there. and will never be there. then we punish them.

the workers are ok with it. because they've been brain washed into thinking the unemployed are to blame for everything in this country. and they think that Dave really has this big reward for them once he's destroyed Britain.
(with their backing)

I haven't the heart to tell them that Dave is coming for them next.

I agree totally only its Osbornes policies not DC's aint they?

If we sheared all the sheep here we could knit a few jumpers for the poor lol

It is all just a distraction anyway and will not make enough of a difference to make a difference to the economy. The only ways I see that can fix the economy is get out of the EU or at least stop paying subs,Stop foreign aid,means test the state pension and legalise cannabis all the little scores manage is getting their feet wet

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I agree totally only its Osbornes policies not DC's aint they?

I get mixed up with them both.

If we sheared all the sheep here we could knit a few jumpers for the poor lol

The poor will take what they need from the sheep when it comes to it. don't worry about it

Originally Posted by Gary L

I get mixed up with them both.



The poor will take what they need from the sheep when it comes to it. don't worry about it

and maybe if the "poor" took the opportunities presented to them they wouldn't be so "poor"

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Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

I agree totally only its Osbornes policies not DC's aint they?

If we sheared all the sheep here we could knit a few jumpers for the poor lol

It is all just a distraction anyway and will not make enough of a difference to make a difference to the economy. The only ways I see that can fix the economy is get out of the EU or at least stop paying subs,Stop foreign aid,means test the state pension and legalise cannabis all the little scores manage is getting their feet wet

I've lost count of the times it has been explained to you that the welfare reforms have very little to do with saving money in the short run ,it's far more about making people more responsible for their own welfare .Your failure to see that or accept that sums up perfectly what is wrong with the welfare society

[Nidge41]

What was that on Daybreak this morning where someone is going to the High Court because their benefits had been cut from £600 to £500?

I bet she got legal aid @£5,000 for the morning.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Of course all this pesky doing stuff for benefits could be avoided if the lazy slobs decided to take back the jobs the migrant workers are accused of stealing .

The issue that's making them not work is Child Tax Credits. Why should they get Child Tax Credits if they don't work?

People go to work to earn a living yet they sit at home and spit babies out for money.

They've always said 4 is the magic number, I'm sure it is because if you look on the HMRC website they'll give you over £300 per week in Child Tax Credits, this isn't adding on their Income Support, Child Benefit, free rent, free Council Tax, free Prescriptions the list is endless.

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Originally Posted by peanut

I also have a blue badge, but I don't drive. If you saw me, you would question my disabilities also on the face of it. Oh and if I get caught short I'd also give Usain Bolt a run for his money too.

Aren't blue badges for people who can't walk more than 20 yards unaided?

Originally Posted by martyh

and maybe if the "poor" took the opportunities presented to them they wouldn't be so "poor"

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I've lost count of the times it has been explained to you that the welfare reforms have very little to do with saving money in the short run ,it's far more about making people more responsible for their own welfare .Your failure to see that or accept that sums up perfectly what is wrong with the welfare society

you can explain your opinion as much as you want I take no notice.

My point will remain the same and that is if there is work needs doing then give the job to a long term unemployed person and pay them they are then off benefits and bettering themselves without all the bull crap sugar coating vote for us tory crap wrapped round it

Your attitude towards the unemployed sums up nicely the sheep position

Originally Posted by Nidge41

Aren't blue badges for people who can't walk more than 20 yards unaided?

The criteria aren't that stringent. My mum's had one for decades due to chronic, early-onset arthritis, but to this day she can walk for 20 minutes round a shopping centre unaided.

You could also get one if, for example, you had an autistic child and walking them any distance through a car park could be problematic.

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

you can explain your opinion as much as you want I take no notice.

That's your problem right there ,it's not my opinion it's a fact

My point will remain the same and that is if there is work needs doing then give the job to a long term unemployed person and pay them they are then off benefits and bettering themselves without all the bull crap sugar coating vote for us tory crap wrapped round it

so are you going to pay the extra tax to pay their wages ? or does the money just appear from the magic money tree

Your attitude towards the unemployed sums up nicely the sheep position

I have an attitude towards the whingers sitting on their keyboards moaning about having to do stuff for some free money given to them by the the state so they don't starve

Originally Posted by martyh

That's your problem right there ,it's not my opinion it's a fact




so are you going to pay the extra tax to pay their wages ? or does the money just appear from the magic money tree



I have an attitude towards the whingers sitting on their keyboards moaning about having to do stuff for some free money given to them by the the state so they don't starve

In your opinion

Well my cynical mind thinks these jobs are already being paid to be done and all this will achieve is people losing real jobs or subbies losing contracts another Tory cutback imo

I would rather the long term unemployed got retrained or given this work to do for a wage not benefits

Originally Posted by tizmeinnit

In your opinion

FACT,NOT OPINION LEARN THE DIFFERENCE .The welfare changes are designed to change peoples attitude towards benefits and make them more responsible for their own welfare .That was the stated aim (along with cutting back on the budget)at the start of the program ,so not opinion.Changing peoples attitude over a few generations will save much more in the long run and fortunately we have a government prepared to see past the next election