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Old 11-07-2017, 10:10   #406
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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Money that should have gone to a more deserving person.
Like l and others have said its a small minority who cheat the system and the full wrath of the law should be firmly thrown at them..

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or a small minority that get caught
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

in yet another blow could this be an end to working cash in hand and claiming benefits ?
Taylor Review: UK should end cash-in-hand economy
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40561807


cash jobs such as window cleaning and decorating were worth up to £6bn a year, much of it untaxed.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Saying it is one thing stopping it is another IMO.
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Saying it is one thing stopping it is another IMO.
ladder racks on mobility scooters gives it away ,not to mention all the mobility scooters parked outside the karate club .
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ladder racks on mobility scooters gives it away ,not to mention all the mobility scooters parked outside the karate club .
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Is it Yoda really you are Den?
No just ordinary Joe Bloggs my emperor..
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If you're yoda, Kursk is the emperor and I'm chewbacca (big and hairy) who is jar jar?
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If you're yoda, Kursk is the emperor and I'm chewbacca (big and hairy) who is jar jar?
Not papa smurf; he's an ewok. As for Jar Jar, he was the most despised character of the series who had a penchant for sticking his tongue in places it didn't belong: I'm thinking Mr K fits the bill
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Four disabled con artists used blue badges to buy Jaguars, Bentleys and Audis in £1million scam

The plot exploited a law allowing disabled people to buy vehicles VAT free if they are adapted for personal use.

In the first case of its kind in Britain, Raymond Gordon, 57; Margaret Lunt, 68; Arthur Jackson, 62; and Martin Burke, 51, admitted conspiracy to evade VAT.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-used-10794741
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Four disabled con artists used blue badges to buy Jaguars, Bentleys and Audis in £1million scam

You can purchase, a motor vehicle VAT- free when all the following conditions are met:

the motor vehicle is supplied to a disabled person who normally uses a wheelchair to be mobile.

the vehicle is permanently and substantially adapted.

the adapted motor vehicle is for the domestic or personal use of the disabled wheelchair user, and the supplier has been given a completed declaration, form VAT1615A, which confirms eligibility.

Definition of ‘wheelchair’ and ‘wheelchair user’

In legal terms, a wheelchair is a chair on wheels for disabled people, which is either manually propelled or electrically powered. A mobility scooter is not a wheelchair for VAT purposes. A wheelchair user is any disabled person who normally uses a wheelchair in order to be mobile. A person who occasionally uses a wheelchair is not eligible.

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With effect from 1 April 2017, VAT relief is only allowable on one adapted vehicle, purchased (either outright or through a finance lease) for the personal use of the disabled wheelchair user, in a period of 3 years. This is known as the ‘3-year rule’.

If an individual or their nominated representative wishes to purchase additional adapted vehicles within any 3 year period, then they can do so but they must pay the standard rate of VAT on the purchase of any subsequent vehicle.
The supplier must inform HMRC when a vehicle is being requested to be sold VAT free. HMRC will check eligibilty and whether the purchaser has not had a VAT free vehicle in the preceeding 3 years.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

Where there's a law there's a loophole sadly and the more complex these things become, the more loopholes and grey areas there are and the harder it is for the enforcing agencies to identify and prosecute it All benefit fraud is wrong but serious, calculating, benefit fraudsters are, IMHO, the lowest of the low and fully deserving of harsh punishment.

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Money that should have gone to a more deserving person.
Yup, people like him are the reason genuine claimants have to jump through more hoops.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

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A FB forum is full of people who were already on PIP at the higher levels being dropped to zero points by ATOS-Capita-DWP. Some fully win at tribunal, many don't. It's a lottery loaded against claimants, with rules being changed by the DWP to ensure more failures.
every time a benefit is rehauled, e.g. PIP or ESA, its done to achieve target claimants numbers (to save money), but of course is claimed otherwise.

The government having lost the earlier battle to clamp down further on PIP prior to the election, they now have a situation where PIP is still over their budget, and it will be targeted again I expect within 5 years.

It is disgusting, this country can afford it, but we have a manipulated population who simply refuse to pay for it and a government who doesnt believe it should be paid for.

The tories e.g. managed to find several billion to keep the DUP happy (1 billion funding for NI + cost of keeping pension triple lock). The money is always there, the problem is the will for it to be spent.

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If Channel 4 and others have no difficulty in exposing these people, how on earth can you come to the conclusion that this is not a widespread problem?
Are you saying you gullible and believe what the media tell you?

Remember that documentary about the family getting about 1k a week in housing benefit?

The DWP later revealed there was only 17 claimants in the entire country getting that sort of money, yet the press managed to still find one, 17 out of 10s of millions.

Its also been revealed likewise the benefit cap has a minimal affect on the DWP budget as a very small amount of people get anywhere near those figures in benefits. But of course the cap gained political points which was its purpose.

It seems you support the idea of making people entitled to help suffer just to try and stop very low amount of fraudsters. Its akin to shooting everyone in a town if one person in the town kills someone.

Yes benefit fraud is wrong, but its no worse than things like tax evasion. Both things are defrauding the government of money. Yet tax evasion I suggest is far more widespread, how common is it e.g. for someone self employed to not declare cash income?
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Yes benefit fraud is wrong, but its no worse than things like tax evasion. Both things are defrauding the government of money. Yet tax evasion I suggest is far more widespread, how common is it e.g. for someone self employed to not declare cash income?
Absolutely and no one on this forum would say otherwise.

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Yes benefit fraud is wrong, but its no worse than things like tax evasion. Both things are defrauding the government of money. Yet tax evasion I suggest is far more widespread, how common is it e.g. for someone self employed to not declare cash income?
Pretty much l would say and yet some of the same people who go on about benefit fraud are defrauding the system themselves...

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The tories e.g. managed to find several billion to keep the DUP happy (1 billion funding for NI + cost of keeping pension triple lock). The money is always there, the problem is the will for it to be spent
That magic money tree again which the Tories claim is non existent.
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Re: Worrying news for ESA claimants converting from DLA to PIP.

17 in the whole country?
This is EIGHT just in the Westminster area.

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Westminster Council revealed to us that two households receive £1,950 and £1,750 a week respectively through the Local Housing Allowance.

Three others get the same amount as the Warsames - namely £1,600; while three families are on more than £1,500 a week.
From a FOI request from 2011 for JUST Westminster
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For all live claim types (excluding suspended) there are currently
6338 claims paying over £1000 (i.e over £250 pw) – including those paying over £2000 per month
and 1220 claims paying over £2000 (i.e. over £500 pw)

From DWP report: Housing Benefit caseload breakdown - March 2011
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For Nov 2010
160 were receiving more than £50,000/year.
11830 were receiving £20,000 or more/year.
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34,610 were £15,000-£20,000
128.960 were £10,000- £15,000
75% were £5,000 or less and a further 21% were £5,000-£10,000.
So were does the 17 come from?
From the figures for previous years it can be clearly seen that the problem arose from the Local Housing Allowance system introduced in 2008. In just 2 years the number even in the £25K-£30K band tripled. The problem was that for large houses, the sky was the limit. People were DELIBERATELY moving into expensive areas because they knew it would be all covered by the taxpayer.

Then there is this case which is beyond belief.
From an Upper Tribunal ruling where the guy WON a rehearing.
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The context of this remark is evident from the papers and will be known to the parties. Briefly, however, it is relevant to the appellant’s case that he could not reasonably have been expected to realise he was being overpaid (per regulation 100 of the Housing Benefit Regulations 2006), when he was being paid in effect four times the level of his rent, because of his alleged belief that the “benefit cap” meant that he was entitled to a capped amount of £1000 regardless of his actual rent (see his email of 24 May 2011 on page 60)
In other words he was claiming and RECEIVING £1,000/week, even though his actual rent was a quarter of that. £750/week in free money in his pocket. How did Islington council allow that?


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