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Old 14-08-2008, 20:40   #14056
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Has anyone queried Virgin media's terms and conditions yet on vm if not i will do just since the virgin media name rebranding in feb of 2007 they slipped this in.

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...ble/terms.html

Section G

# You must give us promptly and accurately all the information which may be needed so that we and Virgin Media Payments can perform our respective obligations under this agreement. You must also tell us immediately if any of your details change.
# By having the services we provide installed in your home and/or by using them you are giving us your consent to use your personal information together with other information for the purposes of providing you with our services, service information and updates, administration, credit scoring, customer services, training, tracking use of our services (including processing call, usage, billing, viewing and interactive data), profiling your usage and purchasing preferences for so long as you are a customer and for as long as is necessary for these specified purposes after you terminate your services. We may occasionally use third parties to process your personal information in the ways outlined above. These third parties are permitted to use the data only in accordance with our instructions.

Anyone here from virgin media who can expalin what the handling of profiling your usage and purchasing preferences relates too.
Specificaly why do virgin media want to know what i buy online and why and who deals with it?, i hope its not phorm because there not part of vm group.

(I think this is on topic and might be slipped in for phorm trials of 2007 feel fee to move it to a sepearte post if this is too offtopic mods - Profiling is such a key word for phorm in everything they try to do).
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Old 14-08-2008, 20:54   #14057
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Just watched something on Channel 4 news about 19:30, regarding the government is to launch an initiative at the Labour party conference. Think I caught the gist of it, it wants 1 million children who are in poverty to receive a laptop, part of this is to give them broadband access. They have been in talks with Microsoft and BT.

Hmmmmm another reason for the government to bury their heads in the sand?
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:00   #14058
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Just watched something on Channel 4 news about 19:30, regarding the government is to launch an initiative at the Labour party conference. Think I caught the gist of it, it wants 1 million children who are in poverty to receive a laptop, part of this is to give them broadband access. They have been in talks with Microsoft and BT.

Hmmmmm another reason for the government to bury their heads in the sand?
All the more reason for us not to, we don't want the next generation saddled with this..
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:04   #14059
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Just watched something on Channel 4 news about 19:30, regarding the government is to launch an initiative at the Labour party conference. Think I caught the gist of it, it wants 1 million children who are in poverty to receive a laptop, part of this is to give them broadband access. They have been in talks with Microsoft and BT.

Hmmmmm another reason for the government to bury their heads in the sand?
Yeah, that will work. Maybe 1% of them will start up internet businesses.

They couldn't just, you know, like give them tax relief, could they?
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:05   #14060
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Spent the day at court and inphormed my barrister she said she will have a look at all the links when she gets back to chambers.
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:17   #14061
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Nice.
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:29   #14062
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

PR team seem to be back at work.

"Privacy drive 'could slow down the internet'"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2559...-internet.html
"It is predicted that more and more of us will try to stop our habits being followed, by turning off the "cookies" which remember which internet pages we have visited.
However, experts warn that this could cause delays in how we use many websites.
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I think those same 'experts' should be looking at basic web standards. If they and the people who wrote the specs for website designs were more expert in those standards, there would not be so many cookies.
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:38   #14063
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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PR team seem to be back at work.

"Privacy drive 'could slow down the internet'"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2559...-internet.html
"It is predicted that more and more of us will try to stop our habits being followed, by turning off the "cookies" which remember which internet pages we have visited.
However, experts warn that this could cause delays in how we use many websites.
"

I think those same 'experts' should be looking at basic web standards. If they and the people who wrote the specs for website designs were more expert in those standards, there would not be so many cookies.
slighty off topic but relevant i think

i had a phonecall from business link today asking if i would participate in a survey, on asking for more details they said i was invited to partcipate in the survey as i had clicked a link on a email relating to an article.

i informed them i dislike being tracked in this way, the person seemed bemused by the comment and then just carried on with the script, i repeated i did not like my browsing being tracked , unphased i was asked if i still wanted to continue, i said it was not relevant as i immediately closed the page without reading more than the first line of the article, i got, "thankyou for your time 'click' "

wonder how that went down

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Old 14-08-2008, 21:40   #14064
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Just watched something on Channel 4 news about 19:30, regarding the government is to launch an initiative at the Labour party conference. Think I caught the gist of it, it wants 1 million children who are in poverty to receive a laptop, part of this is to give them broadband access. They have been in talks with Microsoft and BT.

Hmmmmm another reason for the government to bury their heads in the sand?
I'm sure you are right. Nothing surprises me any more.

BT & Microsoft + HMG, what a combination of ... I just find it too depressing.
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:46   #14065
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Kate Devlin, from the Torygraph article, doesn't say who these 'experts' are, and I can't see any reason why Phorm should be questioned about this matter over someone more qualified.

---------- Post added at 20:46 ---------- Previous post was at 20:43 ----------

Shall we ask her?

http://www.journalisted.com/kate-devlin
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:48   #14066
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Ignoring Peoples "Right to Privacy" is a form of Slavery & carried to the extreme can even be worse than Slavery!
Indeed I was about to add, privacy is more than just having someone looking over your shoulder.

Its about the ability to conduct business in private, such as buying or selling, negotiating.

And its about democracy & freedom of speech too, the ability to discuss opinion and debate in private, without being forced to share that communication with a third party.

Don't underestimate the importance of privacy.
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:48   #14067
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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BT & Microsoft + HMG, what a combination of ... I just find it too depressing.
WOW - Spied on, blue screens and lost cd's - Inspires me loads to order for my kids
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Old 14-08-2008, 21:49   #14068
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

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Actually it is nothing to do with RIPA as RIPA covers interception. the regulations which cover recording phone calls are DPA not RIPA and DPA does not include organisations/companies or public authorities, only individuals. I did my home work on this before recording the call.
Ofcom's consumer advice indicates it is covered by RIPA http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/archi...qs/prvfaq3.htm

Here's a quote about Ian Blair's recordings from http://www.out-law.com/page-6730

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According to Fiona Caskey, an Associate with Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind OUT-LAW.COM, since Lord Goldsmith was not aware that the conversation was being recorded it is possible that the recording was unlawful under RIPA and in breach of the first principle of the DPA.

She explains:

“The definition of intercepting a communication under section 2 (8) of RIPA is broad enough to cover recording a telephone conversation so as to make it available subsequently.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...l1g2-l1p1-l2p8

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For the purposes of this section the cases in which any contents of a communication are to be taken to be made available to a person while being transmitted shall include any case in which any of the contents of the communication, while being transmitted, are diverted or recorded so as to be available to a person subsequently.

Anyway, I note according to http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/ripa/about-ripa/ RIPA also covers "access to electronic data protected by encryption or passwords" - Presumably one good reason why Phorm will not be profiling sites using HTTP Basic access authentication.

EDIT: Ah, having just glanced though the ACT I see it is only regards compelling the disclosure of Passwords.

Yet here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2559...-internet.html a Phorm spokesman is quoted as saying

"There are many things that consumers take for granted that rely on cookies, for example passwords to enter certain sites, or even that when you go to Amazon you don't have to sign in and that the site remembers your address.

"Turning cookies off makes using the internet a more frustrating experience."


So Phorm clearly understand that many password protected sites use cookies rather than http basic authentication - but they're yet to explain how they will avoid profiling such content...
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

I notice we have about 45 guests on-line. Welcome to any new viewers.

If anybody wants a quick FAQ about webwise and Phorm and the dangers of, check out http://www.inphormationdesk.org/welcome.htm for some easy to digest information and some more interesting links.
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Guests - if you are against Phorm spying on your internet connection, please don't forget to sign the 10 Downing Street Petition here:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ispphorm/

20 signatures to go before we reach 17,000.
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