President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

[MatthewEastaugh]

Originally Posted by Mick

Democrat Operative. Just look at timing.

That's an interesting choice of talking points, Mick.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...17638101688320
'Woodward is a Dem operative? Notice timing?'

Though even Trump included question marks...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by MatthewEastaugh

That's an interesting choice of talking points, Mick.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...17638101688320
'Woodward is a Dem operative? Notice timing?'

Though even Trump included question marks...

You think that Mick is Trump?

[MatthewEastaugh]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You think that Mick is Trump?

Nah, while I doubt the coherence and sanity of Trump, I'm pretty sure Mick is fine on both counts - however much I may disagree with him, or think his choice of who to unequivocally believe is a bit odd..

Originally Posted by ianch99

Thought you didn't agree with polls?

Your (un-cited) statement:



seems to be based on a poll from Rasmussen Reports, a conservative American polling company. So I guess you get what you pay for ..

Looking here:

No, one-third of African Americans don’t support Trump. Not even close.



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But ..

No, Donald Trump's poll numbers do not beat Lincoln, all other GOP presidents

Approval ratings are not the same as polling.

You quoted a link from Washington Post. Don’t trust them - Fake News.

Originally Posted by Mick

Approval ratings are not the same as polling.

You quoted a link from Washington Post. Don’t trust them - Fake News.

Here are the source materials.

http://polling.reuters.com/#!respons...collapsed/true

https://civiqs.com/results/approve_p...rican-American

Approval ratings are polls.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Approval ratings are not the same as polling.

You quoted a link from Washington Post. Don’t trust them - Fake News.

You do not have to trust them. Judge for yourself. Look at the links they quote and make your own mind up.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Approval ratings are not the same as polling.

You quoted a link from Washington Post. Don’t trust them - Fake News.

Approval ratings take a representative sample of people and ask those people their opinions. How is that different from a poll?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Approval ratings take a representative sample of people and ask those people their opinions. How is that different from a poll?

Alternative fact.

An approval rating is a percentage determined by a polling which indicates the percentage of respondents to an opinion poll who approve of a particular person or program.

United States presidential approval rating - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...pproval_rating

Originally Posted by Hugh

Here are the source materials.

http://polling.reuters.com/#!respons...collapsed/true

https://civiqs.com/results/approve_p...rican-American

Approval ratings are polls.

They are not the same and *I* do not treat them as such. I stand by my post. But carry on with your “Pointless” google searching habit of yours that’s; “I must prove that you are wrong.”

I’m not wrong.

While you and others mock Trumps ratings: Reminder:

Since Gallup began presidential approval polls in 1945, six presidents have seen as low or lower approval ratings than Trump during their overall time in office: Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, George H. W.

When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll. By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics.

So again, it’s the Trump hysteria effect that’s letting emotions override the benefit of intellect.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

They are not the same and *I* do not treat them as such. I stand by my post. But carry on with your “Pointless” google searching habit of yours that’s; “I must prove that you are wrong.”

I’m not wrong.

Can you explain the difference?

Originally Posted by Mick

They are not the same and *I* do not treat them as such. I stand by my post. But carry on with your “Pointless” google searching habit of yours that’s; “I must prove that you are wrong.”

I’m not wrong.

While you and others mock Trumps ratings: Reminder:

Since Gallup began presidential approval polls in 1945, six presidents have seen as low or lower approval ratings than Trump during their overall time in office: Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, George H. W.

When Obama took office, he had an approval rating of 67%. By August of that year, it had fallen to 50%. A year later it was down to 43% in Gallup's poll. By this point in Obama's presidency, his average approval was 47.9% and falling, according to Real Clear Politics.

So again, it’s the Trump hysteria effect that’s letting emotions override the benefit of intellect.

erm, we were pointing out a specific data point was incorrect, not being involved in "Trump hysteria effect".

I know you seem to disapprove of people basing their comments on fact-based research, rather than just accepting the Trump propaganda, but I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am trying to present facts, not spin...

Approval ratings are gathered by polling organisations by asking people if they approve/disapprove of someone - sounds like a poll to me...

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Hugh

erm, we were pointing out a specific data point was incorrect, not being involved in "Trump hysteria effect".

I know you seem to disapprove of people basing their comments on fact-based research, rather than just accepting the Trump propaganda, but I am not trying to prove you wrong, I am trying to present facts, not spin...

Approval ratings are gathered by polling organisations by asking people if they approve/disapprove of someone - sounds like a poll to me...

The dismissing of sources and facts as fake or alternative seems to be a prerequisite of supporting Trump.

Only I don't support Trump and never have or will. (I live in the UK, I don't read his every tweet, I do not have Trump MAGA posters anywhere, generally speaking, he is a leader of another country, I have not supported by any true sense of the meaning, "To support, is to attend groups, attend official campaigns" I have done neither.)

I just refuse to join the pathetic hysteria bandwagon.

There was mocking of his approval rating, I included in to the discussion, thinking, so what?

With a general selective memory from some, that Obama's approval rating also dropped, considerably during his first years in office.

This is why I maintain that having a long running thread on Trump is not necessary, we did not have a long running one for President Obama, or Bush.

Obama and Bush didn’t have all the major US intelligence agencies saying that Russia had tried to influence elections they were involved in - that may be the difference.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Obama and Bush didn’t have all the major US intelligence agencies saying that Russia had tried to influence elections they were involved in - that may be the difference.

Bush lied about the Iraq war. Where was his long running thread ?

And yet there is still no evidence of any collusion directly with Trump on Russian interference, fancy that.

Obama did very little to curtail the effort of Russian interference in the election despite being warned earlier on about it.

And Russia did influence prior U.S Presidential Elections by the way.

There is absolutely no justification for a long running thread on Trump.