VOD : Netflix/Streaming Services

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Sky obviously think it's profitable. BT obviously think it's profitable. So why would Amazon not be able to make a profit out of it?

Presumably that’d be whatever the reason why Amazon didn’t wager the thick end of £5bn to find out?

[Legendkiller2k]

Originally Posted by jfman

Ah another poster who confuses having money and having a business model to get a return on investment. They’re not a charity, nor do they engage in philanthropy.

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It was only last year. There’s a lot of speculation and “it remains to be seen” but no real insight on offer as to how they turn £4.5bn burning a hole in their pocket into £6bn+.

No a poster who goes by facts rather than thinking they know it all when they know absolutely nothing.
You don't know what Amazon or the likes have planned so don't act like you know things you do not.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

Presumably that’d be whatever the reason why Amazon didn’t wager the thick end of £5bn to find out?

You have no idea why Amazon didn't go for one or more of the bigger packages last year. There could be any number of reasons, such as for example the current extent of broadband coverage, or latency issues that need to be resolved.

I doubt very much whether money came into it.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You have no idea why Amazon didn't go for one or more of the bigger packages last year.

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For some one whose Nostrasdamus predictions for the last three rights auctions were that Amazon or some other streaming company would scoop up all the Premier league TV rights l would say he has far more idea then you do OB.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You have no idea why Amazon didn't go for one or more of the bigger packages last year. There could be any number of reasons, such as for example the current extent of broadband coverage, or latency issues that need to be resolved.

I doubt very much whether money came into it.

Another way of phrasing that is the technology isn’t capable and/or the potential customer base isn’t there to return a profit. That’s money.

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k

No a poster who goes by facts rather than thinking they know it all when they know absolutely nothing.
You don't know what Amazon or the likes have planned so don't act like you know things you do not.

Okay, go and read up on capitalism.

Having money to do something doesn’t equate to it being a good investment opportunity. It’s a fact Amazon have money, it’s not a fact that buying Premiership rights is an effective use of their ample funds.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

For some one whose Nostrasdamus predictions for the last three rights auctions were that Amazon or some other streaming company would scoop up all the Premier league TV rights l would say he has far more idea then you do OB.

So, according to you, I have been 'predicting' this since 2010, have I? Maybe you had better check out those posts, because as I recall it, I have stated only my belief that Amazon or one of the other streaming companies would make a serious bid EITHER for the last round OR the next round of the bidding process.

I have no inside information on this, it is simply what I believe may happen. No need to big it up into something it isn't.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Another way of phrasing that is the technology isn’t capable and/or the potential customer base isn’t there to return a profit. That’s money.

No, the infrastructure may have been deemed inadequate at that time. As superfast broadband is extended to the rest of the country, the assessment will change.

It is nothing to do with money. That is far too simplistic an argument and it is not the problem you make it out to be.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

So, according to you, I have been 'predicting' this since 2010, have I? Maybe you had better check out those posts, because as I recall it, I have stated only my belief that Amazon or one of the other streaming companies would make a serious bid EITHER for the last round OR the next round of the bidding process.

2012 actually.

[jfman]

It’s hardly a simplistic argument at all. It’s an incredibly complex one, but if the potential customer base isn’t there (either by there not being enough demand, or inadequate technology) £5bn is a lot to gamble with such uncertainty about ever seeing a return.

Is the broadband picture really going to change much by 2021?

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jfman

It’s hardly a simplistic argument at all. It’s an incredibly complex one, but if the potential customer base isn’t there (either by there not being enough demand, or inadequate technology) £5bn is a lot to gamble with such uncertainty about ever seeing a return.

Is the broadband picture really going to change much by 2021?

What, like existing Sky and BT subscribers, you mean?

In case you hadn't noticed, superfast broadband is now being rolled out more speedily throughout the UK, and it will be a completely different picture by 2022.

[muppetman11]

As you've already been asked what's going to have changed by the next rights auction ? broadband fast enough to stream Sport is already widely available how do you think people watch the Full HD BT Sport's app now ?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

What, like existing Sky and BT subscribers, you mean?

In case you hadn't noticed, superfast broadband is now being rolled out more speedily throughout the UK, and it will be a completely different picture by 2022.

A Sky and BT customer now doesn’t equate to an Amazon customer in the future. Millions would subscribe, of course, but would enough? Similarly Amazon’s ability to upsell other products or services (landline, broadband in the case of BT and Sky) is untested.

Superfast broadband availability is at 94% in the OFCOM connected nations report. If Amazon’s business model is made or broken by the remaining 6%, which will of course be the hardest to reach for operators, then it’s precarious to start with. Plus the UK Government commitment is to reach full coverage by 2033.

[Legendkiller2k]

Originally Posted by jfman

Another way of phrasing that is the technology isn’t capable and/or the potential customer base isn’t there to return a profit. That’s money.

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Okay, go and read up on capitalism.

Having money to do something doesn’t equate to it being a good investment opportunity. It’s a fact Amazon have money, it’s not a fact that buying Premiership rights is an effective use of their ample funds.

Do you bother reading what posters post or do you just try to pick arguments for the sake of it?
If you bothered to read you would see i have said "it's a big if" about Amazon or Facebook getting rights, also i stated earlier in the thread if Amazon did get rights they would likely make a pass for it where'd it incure a extra charge.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k

Do you bother reading what posters post or do you just try to pick arguments for the sake of it?
If you bothered to read you would see i have said "it's a big if" about Amazon or Facebook getting rights, also i stated earlier in the thread if Amazon did get rights they would likely make a pass for it where'd it incure a extra charge.

For someone who goes by "facts' you haven't actually offered any.

Your first foray into this thread today was a misguided attempt to imply I didn't know what I was talking about when it was you confusing the difference between having the money and it being a worthwhile investment.

It's a monumental effort to return in excess of £5bn over three years, indeed neither Sky or BT do this alone. Sky have built up a customer base and rights portfolio over 30 years. BT have status as an incumbent in telephony/broadband and used the rights to consolidate their positions in both markets.

The facts are the value of the rights fell last time out and Amazon made no meaningful bids in the first round of bidding. Unless someone can point out how the market will radically change between now and 2021 I see no reason to change my stance on this.

If the aim is to sell Prime and gain market share for their shopping website this could be far more easily be achieved with lower value sports rights, at lower risk and higher return on investment.

[Legendkiller2k]

Originally Posted by jfman

For someone who goes by "facts' you haven't actually offered any.

Your first foray into this thread today was a misguided attempt to imply I didn't know what I was talking about when it was you confusing the difference between having the money and it being a worthwhile investment.

It's a monumental effort to return in excess of £5bn over three years, indeed neither Sky or BT do this alone. Sky have built up a customer base and rights portfolio over 30 years. BT have status as an incumbent in telephony/broadband and used the rights to consolidate their positions in both markets.

The facts are the value of the rights fell last time out and Amazon made no meaningful bids in the first round of bidding. Unless someone can point out how the market will radically change between now and 2021 I see no reason to change my stance on this.

If the aim is to sell Prime and gain market share for their shopping website this could be far more easily be achieved with lower value sports rights, at lower risk and higher return on investment.

I probably know a lot more than you about the streaming undustry and i can assure you i know my facts and details.
I don't pluck stuff out of the air to try to make myself look clever, i do agree with some of what you have said especially regarding prime which brings me back to what i have said before "if and it's a very bif if Amazon do go for more football rights i think they would launch a pass at additional cost" there is a clue in there.
The market certainly isn't going to change majorly within the next 2 years i completely agree with you, however we would be foolish to underestimate the streaming giants such as Amazon, also i shall repeat what i have said before Facebook is one to watch i'm not going to go into further detail about that just yet.

[jfman]

“I know something you don’t know, na, na, na, na, na.”

I grew out of that in primary school.

If you’re claiming credit for having the epiphany that Amazon can’t recoup the value of the rights selling £79 a year subscriptions to Prime (it’d take nearly every single household in the country to subscribe) then fair enough, thanks for your overwhelming insight.

Facebook have exactly the same problem. I ask again in this thread what exempts streaming companies from basic economic principles?