U.S Election 2016 - Page 40

adzii_nufc · 30-10-2016, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Mick

I would not call President John F. Kennedy, an unpopular President. Prior to his Assassination, on November 22nd, 1963, he had a 70% approval rating, which is said to be highest of all Presidents, post World War II.

His popularity with other nations and organizations inside his own country were on the floor though. His rejection of Operation Northwoods (A rejection that would cement his legacy later) and the Cuban crisis meant relations were on its arse with both Russia and the CIA.

What the US actually know about the assassination becomes available next year and may reveal more on the three popular theories. LHO was backed by Russia, The Secret Service accidently fired the kill shot (Completed disproved) or the shot was fired from somewhere else.

**Damien** · 30-10-2016, 13:06

New polls show Florida has become tied but North Carolina has moved further to Clinton.

adzii_nufc · 30-10-2016, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Damien

Remember we don't have a revelation as such. We don't know if the emails are relevant yet

Doesn't matter if they are. She should get the bad press for it. What happened last time round was a farce.

In the words of others.

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R., S.C), a former federal prosecutor, said concerns were raised “when you have five immunity agreements and no prosecution, when you are allowing witnesses who happen to be lawyers…to sit in on an interview.” He added, “That is not the FBI that I used to work with. It looks to me like some things were done differently that I don’t recall being done.’’
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“No wonder they couldn’t prosecute a case,” Chaffetz said. “They were handing out immunity deals like candy.”

Now another potential witness that could incriminate Clinton is supposedly seeking immunity.. Seems all too familiar. Paul Combetta all over again

So whilst I have the opinion that it's well deserved. You can't deny the timing is pretty damning. I've only ever watched the Obama campaigns and elections so what's the worst election run/campaign anyone's ever seen? is it this?

30-10-2016, 15:14

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Originally Posted by Damien

Remember we don't have a revelation as such. We don't know if the emails are relevant yet

So why has the FBI opened their gob at such a crucial time ? either they are trying to influence the election or just plain incompetent

adzii_nufc · 30-10-2016, 15:31

Both. Their evidence for incompetence is clear with the quote above. The timing is just deliberate too.

30-10-2016, 15:35

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Both. Their evidence for incompetence is clear with the quote above. The timing is just deliberate too.

Then heads should roll ,and in a very public and humiliating way

thenry · 30-10-2016, 15:37

They tried to attack the first Madam President. I wouldn't be surprised if Americans feel the need to shove these emails or whatever the hell they are.

adzii_nufc · 30-10-2016, 16:02

Clinton can complain away. If the initial investigation hadn't ended as dodgy as it did then I'd sympathize. She had this coming.

The next in line asking for immunity that I mentioned above is Huma Abedin
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...aa5_story.html

Who is now rocking the papers.

All this rests on Coney's shoulder, he handed out the immunity deals, but the entire FBI looked ridiculous when evidence surfaced that Clinton and co had been tampering with the evidence. Now they're re-opening it. There's pressure on him, he's made the entire FBI look ridiculous. Coney will go soon but something seriously wrong has occurred on both occasions here.

**Damien** · 30-10-2016, 16:18

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Originally Posted by martyh

So why has the FBI opened their gob at such a crucial time ? either they are trying to influence the election or just plain incompetent

Well that's the question.

From his point of view it's difficult: If he hasn't said anything and after the election it emerged he could have then we would be in trouble. If this turns out to be nothing he is also in trouble.

What is clear is that he shouldn't have worded the statement to congress as poorly as he did. He attempted to downplay it afterwards but the damage was done. It's also emerged he was advised against this by the Justice Department.

However the rule about not attributing to malice that which is better explained by stupidity should suffice. At worse he has shown a desire to be in the limelight as with his press conference when the FBI brought no charges.

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

All this rests on Coney's shoulder, he handed out the immunity deals, but the entire FBI looked ridiculous when evidence surfaced that Clinton and co had been tampering with the evidence. Now they're re-opening it. There's pressure on him, he's made the entire FBI look ridiculous. Coney will go soon but something seriously wrong has occurred on both occasions here.

They're reopening it because of the emergence of new e-mails. They're not revisiting the old e-mails, allegations of evidence tampering or anything else. They've found more e-mails and they're looking into it although we don't know if they involve Clinton's e-mail server nor if they even include her.

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We have the first polling from after the e-mails: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-batt...of-fbi-emails/

Not quite as bad for Clinton as first feared. People who are voting against her think it's a big deal, those voting for her do not. I think 'e-mails' are sort of priced in at this point. Clinton is ahead in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. Trump in Arizona.

adzii_nufc · 30-10-2016, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well that's the question.

From his point of view it's difficult: If he hasn't said anything and after the election it emerged he could have then we would be in trouble. If this turns out to be nothing he is also in trouble.

What is clear is that he shouldn't have worded the statement to congress as poorly as he did. He attempted to downplay it afterwards but the damage was done. It's also emerged he was advised against this by the Justice Department.

However the rule about not attributing to malice that which is better explained by stupidity should suffice. At worse he has shown a desire to be in the limelight as with his press conference when the FBI brought no charges.

---------- Post added at 16:11 ---------- Previous post was at 16:09 ----------

They're reopening it because of the emergence of new e-mails. They're not revisiting the old e-mails, allegations of evidence tampering or anything else. They've found more e-mails and they're looking into it although we don't know if they involve Clinton's e-mail server nor if they even include her.

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We have the first polling from after the e-mails: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-batt...of-fbi-emails/

Not quite as bad for Clinton as first feared. People who are voting against her think it's a big deal, those voting for her do not. I think 'e-mails' are sort of priced in at this point. Clinton is ahead in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. Trump in Arizona.

Sorry didn't mean that to be used as part of this investigation it was just a summary of Comey himself and his involvement in its entirety and to be fair, a good reason on why he should be removed.

Go back to Trump and Clinton Jail quote.. Assuming Trump stuck to his guns and when he won, it'd be Comey in his sights. Now Comey has stumbled upon some new evidence..

Conspiracy to go with your Sunday dinners!

Arthurgray50@blu · 30-10-2016, 22:11

Has anyone thought about another cog in the wheel. There are so many buildings and Hotels that have been built with that prat Trump's name on.

Just think of how many people her has bought off with all his dollars. Its always the same on the other foot.

Its very strange how this has come up with only 7 days to go. Sid in The Washington Times - l think. The FBI knew about these emails Several months ago.

So why bring it up now. No, l reckon its a 'stick in the wheel' to put voters off Clinton and to vote Trump. The FBI prat is a republican. Makes sense don't it

I bet Trump is a crook anyway

**Damien** · 31-10-2016, 11:52

Still no evidence the polls are moving: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...consult-230519

Still need to wait a bit longer.

Mr K · 31-10-2016, 12:08

The Torygraph seems to think Clintons lead has been wiped out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ntons-11-poin/
However maybe they are only choosing one poll to get a headline.

In a way it will be funny if Trump does get in. That mad bloody country deserves him. If it only it didn't affect the rest of the World.

**Damien** · 31-10-2016, 12:16

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The Torygraph seems to think Clintons lead has been wiped out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ntons-11-poin/
However maybe they are only choosing one poll to get a headline.

In a way it will be funny if Trump does get in. That mad bloody country deserves him. If it only it didn't affect the rest of the World.

They're choosing one poll and that poll had narrowed during the course of last week. It's been +2 Clinton (or +1 depending how you read it) since the e-mail.

adzii_nufc · 31-10-2016, 12:29

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Originally Posted by Damien

They're choosing one poll and that poll had narrowed during the course of last week. It's been +2 Clinton (or +1 depending how you read it) since the e-mail.

The polls didn't move that much when it was alleged Combetta and Clinton tampered with E-mails did they? Even though this is 'official' and the timing isn't great I don't see it making a massive dent.

I know it's coincidental but it's just funny how Trump talks about Hilary being put in jail and the FBI etc. Then Comey as above, the man that essentially made sure there was absolutely no chance of prosecution revives it from the dead.

I still say this all rests on his shoulders, something seriously dodgy has gone on.

Edit: Forgot, this is going on the assumption this fresh story brings about nothing relevant.