U.S Election 2016

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I read in the https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.2f1cf9a2f9ee

Very interesting read

Originally Posted by ianch99

Let's all stop this negative attitude.

If someone wants to criticise Trump and they feel they can supply an argument to do so then that's a good thing. If you can reply with a counterargument then let everyone judge the pros and cons of the two points of view.

What is unacceptable are when people shouted down and insulted because they hold the opposite opinion or they do not accept a particular side of the argument.

Calling someone a "Loser", "Remoaner", "Mr Ignorant", etc. adds no value and just winds people up. I certainly am guilty for being wound up by deliberately provocative posts and I am equally guilty for replying to these posts in the wrong way.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Please remember what l have said in previous post. And l agree with various Countries that have said Trump is an Inexperience Politician.

He has this almighty toy - the USA. And he is playing with it, just like his businesses. He has brought out all these orders. That is threatening the very thing that the States stand for. And he is breaking everything possible. Until he has what he wants.

This wont be discussed in Parliament if the petition goes about a certain figure. Miss May will just toss it to one side.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing for an uninformed rookie politician now at the sharp end.

There was no massacre but there was terror related crimes undertaken by Iraqi immigrants that did cause the 6month pause that the Obama administration imposed of Iraqi visas

http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state...green-massacre

Thanks for digging that up, as you say it does explain the Iraqi ban.

On a related note, I found this quite amusing.
https://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com/

Wonder if he will sack the judge now?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38864253

They were still trying to detain and bar valid visa holders. It came out yesterday they revoked 100,000 visas! Legal migrants! People who might have nowhere else to go, whose jobs and maybe even families are in the United States being told at the border to go elsewhere. It amount to a sudden and immediate deportation of legal migrants without due process. How people can support that part of the policy is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Damien

They were still trying to detain and bar valid visa holders. It came out yesterday they revoked 100,000 visas! Legal migrants! People who might have nowhere else to go, whose jobs and maybe even families are in the United States being told at the border to go elsewhere. It amount to a sudden and immediate deportation of legal migrants without due process. How people can support that part of the policy is beyond me.

I read that last night, it's beyond belief that they are barring people who have wives, kids and jobs in a country where they have lived for a number of years.

[heero_yuy]

Don't discount an excess of zeal by frustrated Clintonista's in an attempt to bring Trump down.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Don't discount an excess of zeal by frustrated Clintonista's in an attempt to bring Trump down.

Do you mean like this Bush appointed judge?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/03/po...nwide-ag-says/

President Donald Trump on Saturday morning took to Twitter to blast a federal judge's decision to halt his immigration order nationwide.

"The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!" he tweeted.
Federal Judge James Robart, a George W. Bush appointee who presides in Washington state, temporarily stopped the order on Friday night.

US Customs and Border Protection then alerted airlines the US government would quickly begin reinstating visas that were previously canceled, and CBP advised airlines that refugees that are in possession of US visas will be admitted as well, an airline executive said.

I wonder if this will end up at the Supreme Court? It's not surprising Trump is painting the Judicial system as the enemy, it's one of the few things that is meant to keep him in check.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Do you mean like this Bush appointed judge?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/03/po...nwide-ag-says/

No, I was suggesting that Clintonista border and visa officials might be over-interpreting the presidential order to cause trouble of the kind in your link.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Do you mean like this Bush appointed judge?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/03/po...nwide-ag-says/

Looks like tango man is trying to bully his way through anything that gets in his way.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

No, I was suggesting that Clintonista border and visa officials might be over-interpreting the presidential order to cause trouble of the kind in your link.

It was a good suggestion but liberals have their own agenda's.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I wonder if this will end up at the Supreme Court? It's not surprising Trump is painting the Judicial system as the enemy, it's one of the few things that is meant to keep him in check.

His EO went through the legality checks prior to it being actioned, so the need to keep him check twice over is needed because?

Hence, why he rightfully fired Obama's Acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, for publicly undermining The President.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

No, I was suggesting that Clintonista border and visa officials might be over-interpreting the presidential order to cause trouble of the kind in your link.

Originally Posted by Mick

It was a good suggestion but liberals have their own agenda's. .

Is there any evidence of this or is it just an attempt to divert blame from Trump himself? Why did they continue to revoke valid visas for a week until this court order? Why are they challenging this court order?

It was seen right away that Green card and Visa holders were not exempt: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=1727

They could have changed it. They could have issued official advice to exempt Green card and Visa holders. They've done neither.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by pip08456

I live in the world where the party leader is not elected by the electorate. Even if Cameron had not been PM at the time May would still have inherited the leadership.

Didn't your father also vote Brexit as a protest vote against the Government?

he did, but its also worth pointing out he never liked cameron. He voted for the UKIP party in the last election and he likes farage. The last tory leader he liked was thatcher.