Updated: Boris resigns as party leader

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

As I watch the Hustings event in Leeds, it's 19:50 and the questions haven't even started. There has been about 30 minutes of waffle from various senior Tories, then 10 minutes each of promotional spiel from the candidates (Truss easily came off best) and now there's a 10 minute break before any questions are to be asked.

What a shambles. I'm attending the London Hustings and they'll have to gfo through this whole shit again. Jeez.

The rest of it wasn't much better. Sunak was the consummate politician with all the high level answers but little detail. Truss was the "people's candidate". She didn't actually falter and judging by audience reaction, may just have had the better of it.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The rest of it wasn't much better. Sunak was the consummate politician with all the high level answers but little detail. Truss was the "people's candidate". She didn't actually falter and judging by audience reaction, may just have had the better of it.

This chap summed up Sunak accurately

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...back-latest-vn

Originally Posted by papa smurf

This chap summed up Sunak accurately

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...back-latest-vn

Speaking of backstabbing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44771278

Boris Johnson has become the second senior cabinet minister to quit within 24 hours, as Prime Minister Theresa May faces a growing political crisis over her Brexit strategy.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

This chap summed up Sunak accurately

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...back-latest-vn

Originally Posted by Hugh

Speaking of backstabbing...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44771278

Surely any loyalty should be to their constituents and not bozo, this is cult like behaviour and not something we should be expecting from a mainstream political party

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Surely any loyalty should be to their constituents and not bozo, this is cult like behaviour and not something we should be expecting from a mainstream political party

In the past, when the Conservative Party was a broad church of political [conservative] opinion, you could argue the polling of such a small (membership) clique did not present a risk to the wider country and its governance.

However, in recent years since the right-wing, ERG-driven, putsch of (Brexit) dissenters, such a poll now offers a disturbing selection of non-representative individuals. The membership these individuals are pitching to also seem to have followed this same, lurch to the right, trajectory.

More disturbing in that you can vote in the election even if you are not a UK resident. All sorts of weirdos can vote for our next PM.

Tory leadership contest: Loophole 'allows non-British citizens to vote for next PM'

The Conservative Party allows non-British citizens to vote in Tory leadership elections, thereby determining who the next prime minister will be, while those living in the UK but are not members of the party have no such say.

Members of Conservatives Abroad, the party's global network of members and supporters living overseas, can get "all the benefits of party membership, including participation in the Conservative Policy Forum, attendance at party conferences and a vote in the election of the party leader," its website says.

It adds: "Membership of Conservatives Abroad is open to all who live abroad and pledge support for the UK Conservative Party. You do not have to be a voter or a UK citizen."

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

In the past, when the Conservative Party was a broad church of political [conservative] opinion, you could argue the polling of such a small (membership) clique did not present a risk to the wider country and its governance.

However, in recent years since the right-wing, ERG-driven, putsch of (Brexit) dissenters, such a poll now offers a disturbing selection of non-representative individuals. The membership these individuals are pitching to also seem to have followed this same, lurch to the right, trajectory.

More disturbing in that you can vote in the election even if you are not a UK resident. All sorts of weirdos can vote for our next PM.

Tory leadership contest: Loophole 'allows non-British citizens to vote for next PM'

That is the business of the Conservative Party. They are the ones that elect their leader, not the Labour Party, who are in hock to the unrepresentative trade unions who are intent on overthrowing governments with which they disagree.

Conservative Party membership - 200,000
Trade Union membership - 6,440,000

Which is more representative of the British public?

btw, working to get the Labour Party elected isn’t "overthrowing governments", it’s called “democracy"…

Speaking of overthrowing governments with which they disagree, how are the ERG getting on?

[richard-john56]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That is the business of the Conservative Party. They are the ones that elect their leader, not the Labour Party, who are in hock to the unrepresentative trade unions who are intent on overthrowing governments with which they disagree.

Wow the common working class man wants to overthrow the government.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by richard-john56

Wow the common working class man wants to overthrow the government.

I said the trade unions, not the average working man.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I said the trade unions, not the average working man.

Trade Unions are comprised of the average working man/woman. They elect who lead them , and the policies they follow. Its called democracy OB. Unlike the next leader of country being decided by 0.2% of the population....

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That is the business of the Conservative Party. They are the ones that elect their leader, not the Labour Party, who are in hock to the unrepresentative trade unions who are intent on overthrowing governments with which they disagree.

Yes, that is the point .. which you missed, as always.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Conservative Party membership - 200,000
Trade Union membership - 6,440,000

Which is more representative of the British public?

Neither.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Conservative Party membership - 200,000
Trade Union membership - 6,440,000

Which is more representative of the British public?

btw, working to get the Labour Party elected isn’t "overthrowing governments", it’s called “democracy"…

Speaking of overthrowing governments with which they disagree, how are the ERG getting on?

Totally laughable this coming from you, but let’s ask the people who wanted to thwart Brexit. Eh?

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Neither.

Exactly. Yet another own goal from Hugh.

Originally Posted by Hugh

Conservative Party membership - 200,000
Trade Union membership - 6,440,000

Which is more representative of the British public?

Neither really.

Trade Unions only represent (a subset of) workers, and many of them are conservative anyway.

From the Daily Telegraph

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....cies-unlawful/

Suella Braverman bans lawyers from telling ministers their policies are unlawful

The Attorney General has banned government lawyers from telling ministers that their policies are unlawful, The Telegraph can reveal.

In the wake of the row over the Rwanda asylum plan, guidance was sent from Suella Braverman to lawyers last week stating that they should refrain from dismissing policies as unlawful and instead give a percentage chance that they may be challenged.

It is the culmination of more than a year of growing tensions, with policy advisors viewing lawyers as overly cautious. They perceive them to be getting in the way of the Government’s policy agenda instead of thinking creatively to push through ideas.

Lawyers, who are now describing it as the “U-word”, have hit back at the policy, describing it as an affront. "It calls into question our ability to hold the Government to account. What exactly is our role now?" one said. Others warned that ministers risked breaching international law and, in turn, the ministerial code.

The issue has come to a head at the Home Office. One government source said: “If we come and say we want something, they come back and say it is unlawful and we think there is a 70 per cent chance of losing. They don’t go: ‘Well, there is a 30 per cent chance a judge would find it lawful so we should go for it. There will be some who say it is unlawful because of x, y, z reasons rather than: ‘How can we make a legal argument that it is lawful’?”

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Neither.

So 10% of the population isn’t more representative of the British public than 0.3% of the population, especially if "many of them are conservative anyway"?