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Re: Black Lives Matter
Aldi is more friendly than Waitrose according to my wife who has just returned from there.
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Humour aside, do please stay cogent! What's an Aldi?
It's where one buys one's discounted shopping before placing it in Waitrose bags to impress the neighbours
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Really interesting take by Christopher Hitchens on possible US Reparations for Slavery where he discusses the attempts by the right to divert & hijack the debate calling this the "White Whine"
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Death threats sent to Cambridge University professor after 'white lives don't matter' tweet
Prof Priyamvada Gopal, who teaches English at Churchill College, has sparked outrage after tweeting about 'abolishing whiteness' and police are investigating the racist messages she's been sent
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Really interesting take by Christopher Hitchens on possible US Reparations for Slavery where he discusses the attempts by the right to divert & hijack the debate calling this the "White Whine"
I liked Hitchens. Even when I disagreed with that he was saying there was intellectual integrity to his arguments in that he would be consistent irrespective of the current state of politics.
You get so many grifters now who pander to whatever is happening in the world in the most provocative way to draw attention to their YouTube/Twitter accounts or to be a talking head on news channels.
But as I have to keep pointing out, apart from me, who else is making it out to be anything other than the neck issue? Apparently the Police are told to ignore any pleas of "I can't breathe", especially if they're managed to say it sixteen times, along with a lot of other things. Did he say at any point something like "Ok now, I'll behave myself and get into the vehicle quietly"?
As if any judge or jury is going to pay any heed to it.
Would you mind telling me why the police kept him like that for 9 minutes? He complained that he could not breathe and he was not struggling. Any idiot can see that this was unreasonable force.
Would you mind telling me why the police kept him like that for 9 minutes? He complained that he could not breathe and he was not struggling. Any idiot can see that this was unreasonable force.
No idea what they were waiting for. Perhaps a simple "ok, I'll come quietly".
He complained SIXTEEN times, along with other things. How could he manage that if he was truly out of breath? The police are apparently trained to ignore all the various bogus pleas.
How much was visible to say that he wasn't struggling? Only seen head area, and he can be CLEARLY seen twisting his body and moving his right shoulder upwards, on more than one occasion.
He would've been removed from the car for his OWN safety, until he calmed down.
If all the officers involved had been non-white, would they have behaved differently? Where is the evidence that they would've? After all, 2 were non-white.
A violent or restrained detainee must not be placed in a police vehicle unsupervised. Detainees who have struggled violently should not be placed in a vehicle unrestrained.
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Where a detainee becomes violent, staff should, where practicable, stop the vehicle, regain control and only then resume the journey; it may be necessary to call for assistance and to change to a more
suitable vehicle.
So looks like STANDARD advice to remove them from the vehicle. I've previously included examples of where people have injured themselves in the back seat of a police car. There are almost certainly many more cases out there.
How exactly do you think they should have subdued him?
Shoot him?
Use a sedative? Injection of Haldol or use chloroform?
Beat him unconscious?
There were NO options available to subdue him, so that left restraining him.
Jodhpur DCP (West) Priti Chandra said the policeman had acted in self-defence to prevent the man from attacking him.
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A video shot in Jodhpur, shared widely on social media, drew outrage after it showed a police constable kneeling on the neck of a person for not wearing a facemask.
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The video showed Kumar aggressively resisting the policemen and engaging in a fistfight. It also showed a constable kneeling on him for a few seconds.
Chandra defended the constables’ actions, saying Prajapat man began punching the policemen as soon as they’d release him.
It also showed a constable kneeling on him for a few seconds.
A bit different from 8 minutes and 46 seconds.
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No idea what they were waiting for. Perhaps a simple "ok, I'll come quietly".
He complained SIXTEEN times, along with other things. How could he manage that if he was truly out of breath? The police are apparently trained to ignore all the various bogus pleas.
How much was visible to say that he wasn't struggling? Only seen head area, and he can be CLEARLY seen twisting his body and moving his right shoulder upwards, on more than one occasion.
He would've been removed from the car for his OWN safety, until he calmed down.
If all the officers involved had been non-white, would they have behaved differently? Where is the evidence that they would've? After all, 2 were non-white.
UK Association of Police Officers(ACPO) advice
So looks like STANDARD advice to remove them from the vehicle. I've previously included examples of where people have injured themselves in the back seat of a police car. There are almost certainly many more cases out there.
How exactly do you think they should have subdued him?
Shoot him?
Use a sedative? Injection of Haldol or use chloroform?
Beat him unconscious?
There were NO options available to subdue him, so that left restraining him.
You can keep on trying to, weakly, mitigate the police’s actions. The man died in their care, they are responsible and that’s the end of it. An unarmed man, 4 professional, well trained, police Officers, they failed no matter how you try to spin it.
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You can keep on trying to, weakly, mitigate the police’s actions. The man died in their care, they are responsible and that’s the end of it. An unarmed man, 4 professional, well trained, police Officers, they failed no matter how you try to spin it.
Pierre, I've been reflecting on some of my interactions with you in this thread, and I'd like to apologise to you.
I moved from debating to arguing, which was wrong, and it turned into me trying to be clever, rather than debating the points.
Once again, sorry - I'll try to be better in the future.
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