Brexit - Page 189

jfman · 27-05-2019, 12:34

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

That's because you wrongly attribute Conservative and Labour voters as being something they are not. Why would remainers vote for a party standing on a Brexit manifesto instead of voting, say, Liberal Democrat at the EU elections?

Your interpretation makes no sense.

Your interpretation makes equally no sense. There was one clear Brexit option on the ballot paper. Why continue to vote for the Labour policy if you want to leave the EU?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We are talking about the Labour manifesto, not the conference that was held after the election.

This EU election is based on the current party policy. Not the old one.

You don’t get to walk into the polling booth and choose your favourite manifesto in recent times.

OLD BOY · 27-05-2019, 12:37

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Originally Posted by jfman

Your interpretation makes equally no sense. There was one clear Brexit option on the ballot paper. Why continue to vote for the Labour policy if you want to leave the EU?

Why wouldn't they? As I said earlier, even if you discount all Labour voters, leave still won.

**Mick** · 27-05-2019, 12:39

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Originally Posted by jfman

Mark my words. It’s the only way Labour and the Tories get to save face. I thought you’d welcome a further opportunity for this country to clearly demonstrate it wants to leave? After all we’ve done it so many times.

Sorry, rubbish, mark my words nothing - I believe in democracy and it already spoke in 2016. We voted to leave - you need to accept it that your side lost.

We do not keep voting on the same issue over and over, so you keep trying to get the result you want. That is not democracy.

You've lost 3 times now. Accept it, we're leaving.

jfman · 27-05-2019, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Mick

Sorry, rubbish, mark my words nothing - I believe in democracy and it already spoke in 2016. We voted to leave - you need to accept it that your side lost.

We do not keep voting on the same issue over and over, so you keep trying to get the result you want. That is not democracy.

You've lost 3 times now. Accept it, we're leaving.

You equally said we would be leaving on March 29. It didn’t happen. I’m not going hold my breath on your biased analysis holding up this time either.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why wouldn't they? As I said earlier, even if you discount all Labour voters, leave still won.

Only by leaving them to the side, not by attributing them to remain. Less problematic with the Tories but the same principle applies. Plus the millions who didn’t vote but would in the inevitable future referendum. I’ve not made any attempts to attribute these either way, and as I’ve repeated what’s most important is the people who didn’t vote but would in future.

This result simply demonstrates the country remains polarised. Which is fine, it ensures the chaos continues and gives Parliament one way out only.

**Mick** · 27-05-2019, 12:50

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Originally Posted by jfman

You equally said we would be leaving on March 29. It didn’t happen. I’m not going hold my breath on your biased analysis holding up this time either.

You mistake me for some one who cares if you hold your breath or not. Because I know whatever you're going to say, you will be totally lying.

And if it had been left up to me we would have left!!!

So do not put that kind of bullshit on me, I am not in government. I have balls and I would have got us a far better deal and out of the corrupted EU.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Only by leaving them to the side, not by attributing them to remain. Less problematic with the Tories but the same principle applies. Plus the millions who didn’t vote but would in the inevitable future referendum.

This result simply demonstrates the country remains polarised. Which is fine, it ensures the chaos continues and gives Parliament one way out only.

No - the country wants to leave as clearly demonstrated three times now.

I told you there will not be another referendum, not enough support in parliament for one, several votes on them have lost already - we are leaving and your side lost, stop lying.

jfman · 27-05-2019, 12:57

Mick disagreeing with you isn’t lying. I predicted Parliament was going to extend. It did.

**Mick** · 27-05-2019, 13:00

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Originally Posted by jfman

Mick disagreeing with you isn’t lying. I predicted Parliament was going to extend. It did.

Means nothing.

jfman · 27-05-2019, 13:05

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Originally Posted by Mick

Means nothing.

Mick it’s staring you in the face that our MPs are going to steal Brexit from you unless it wins a second referendum. I’ve said it for months now and these results, May getting toppled and potentially a challenge to Corbyn make that more likely not less. They don’t want the blame so a second referendum is the easy way out.

You trust them even less than I do. Treasonous, treacherous, lying, all words thrown round this forum regularly - I don’t know why you expect them to deliver.

**Mick** · 27-05-2019, 13:25

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Originally Posted by jfman

Mick it’s staring you in the face that our MPs are going to steal Brexit from you unless it wins a second referendum. I’ve said it for months now and these results, May getting toppled and potentially a challenge to Corbyn make that more likely not less. They don’t want the blame so a second referendum is the easy way out.

You trust them even less than I do. Treasonous, treacherous, lying, all words thrown round this forum regularly - I don’t know why you expect them to deliver.

Leave won again last night, Leave: 44% to Remain: 40% so out we should go.

We do not need a second referendum, though I would welcome one because we'd clearly win again going off last nights results and typically, you'd be so pathetic and demand another one and then another and then another if you keep on losing them all.

I keep telling you, there is not enough parliamentary support for one, the numbers are just not there.

Mr K · 27-05-2019, 13:51

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Originally Posted by Mick

Leave won again last night, Leave: 44% to Remain: 40% so out we should go.

We do not need a second referendum, though I would welcome one because we'd clearly win again going off last nights results and typically, you'd be so pathetic and demand another one and then another and then another if you keep on losing them all.

I keep telling you, there is not enough parliamentary support for one, the numbers are just not there.

Labour is shifting it's position on a referendum. They can't get a GE, so it's the only way to go. The Tory membership and their choice of an unelected PM will be irrelevant. Parliament and then the public will decide. It's becomes more inevitable by the day.

The only possible Brexit was Mays deal and Brexiters incredibly voted against it. They have miscalculated and missed the chance.

**Hugh** · 27-05-2019, 13:53

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4152131.html

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A humiliated Tommy Robinson declared he “wants a second vote” in a bizarre video posted from his bed after he failed to secure a seat in the European Parliament.

In the clip, which is believed to have been posted on the Telegram private messaging app, the independent MEP candidate described himself as “dead to the world”.

He said: “I don’t accept the result of the election. I want a second vote.”

papa smurf · 27-05-2019, 14:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4152131.html

If he doesn't accept the result he's in good company .

denphone · 27-05-2019, 14:33

Andrew Neil BBC political presenter views.

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Prediction: we are more likely to have a second referendum this year than a general election.

**Damien** · 27-05-2019, 14:38

Probably because the Tories will do anything to avoid an election....

OLD BOY · 27-05-2019, 14:40

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Labour is shifting it's position on a referendum. They can't get a GE, so it's the only way to go. The Tory membership and their choice of an unelected PM will be irrelevant. Parliament and then the public will decide. It's becomes more inevitable by the day.

The only possible Brexit was Mays deal and Brexiters incredibly voted against it. They have miscalculated and missed the chance.

You wish! Prepare for no deal on 31 October.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Andrew Neil BBC political presenter views.

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Prediction: we are more likely to have a second referendum this year than a general election.

He's right. But obviously, neither will happen.