Brexit

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

May starting to abuse these 'address to the nation' moments now, say something new if you're doing that.

No this is pointing out to the population, that Parliament are headless spivs and need to stop looking after their own interests and start thinking about the nations

[papa smurf]

It was a good speech and i think the public will agree with what she said,watching these idiots squabble is pathetic and it's grinding people down.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Would you like cream, ice cream or custard to go with massive slice of humble pie you’ve just ordered?

Come again?

That’s exactly what she just did.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Well your last statement is a bare faced lie

No it isn’t, it’s exactly as i said.

Where did i go wrong?

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

No this is pointing out to the population, that Parliament are headless spivs and need to stop looking after their own interests and start thinking about the nations

Preparing the population they might have to actually vote for this deal if they want Brexit.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

It was a good speech and i think the public will agree with what she said,watching these idiots squabble is pathetic and it's grinding people down.

I predict the public will think exactly what they thought before.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Preparing the population they might have to actually vote for this deal if they want Brexit.

That’s a stretch, which she just categorically rejected.

This was speaking to Parliament via a national address.

Not every one watches PMQs or are actively engaged.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Come again?

That’s exactly what she just did.

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No it isn’t, it’s exactly as i said.

Where did i go wrong?

‘ i predict she will say to the nation, it’s the deal or no deal’

She didn’t say that at all, directly or indirectly as per usual she left plenty of room to manoeuvre if required

She’s also has just blamed the very parliament she needs to back her deal, parliament will not let her get away with that

I was going to say the only person responsible for this is May but tbh I’ve found myself detesting Corbyn after his antics tonight’s

Originally Posted by jfman

Preparing the population they might have to actually vote for this deal if they want Brexit.

I find it fascinating that in everything that has happened today, everyone has basically found validation of whatever they already thought would/should happen next.

Myself, I can see nothing in the speech May has just delivered that justifies the view that a referendum is on the way. The rhetoric about the weary public and it being “high time” politicians made the decisions are aimed squarely at the Commons.

I know you don’t like it but today, with the EU’s help, she’s called it. It’s time for MPs to show their hand. The game is almost over.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

That’s a stretch, which she just categorically rejected.

This was speaking to Parliament via a national address.

Not every one watches PMQs or are actively engaged.

As we know Theresa May categorically rejecting something is not equivalent to it being an impossible future event.

So what does she want? People to write to their MP? Tell YouGov they like the deal?

I’m sure as many people see her words tonight as had she said them at lunchtime via the dispatch box given the wall to wall coverage Brexit gets. Was she on BBC 1, or ITV?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

I predict the public will think exactly what they thought before.

Most likely, likewise a 2nd Ref would probably fail as i predict the public think the same as they did first time round.

But this was not aimed at the people, it was aimed at Parliament and to show how pathetic, paralysed and petulant parliament is. (Must get a bonus for alliteration there surely)

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Chris

I find it fascinating that in everything that has happened today, everyone has basically found validation of whatever they already thought would/should happen next.

Myself, I can see nothing in the speech May has just delivered that justifies the view that a referendum is on the way. The rhetoric about the weary public and it being “high time” politicians made the decisions are aimed squarely at the Commons.

I know you don’t like it but today, with the EU’s help, she’s called it. It’s time for MPs to show their hand. The game is almost over.

I wouldn’t be so sure if I were you, after three years of twists and turns I’m sure there are a couple left.

If May goes no deal the Tories will be out of power for the next three terms minimum. Money talks ultimately

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

I find it fascinating that in everything that has happened today, everyone has basically found validation of whatever they already thought would/should happen next.

That’s because the only meaningful outcome from today is we will not leave the European Union on March 29th.

Myself, I can see nothing in the speech May has just delivered that justifies the view that a referendum is on the way. The rhetoric about the weary public and it being “high time” politicians made the decisions are aimed squarely at the Commons.

I know you don’t like it but today, with the EU’s help, she’s called it. It’s time for MPs to show their hand. The game is almost over.

The fact she’s talking to the population at all, along with advertising of her deal on social media, when it’s got nothing to do with us means she’s preparing for the possibility.

The game is only just beginning. Getting past March 29th is a huge psychological win for remainers who will be emboldened that the hurdle has passed. There’s no meaningful reason June 30th is any more than another arbitrary, and artificial, deadline.

The one way May can guarantee her legacy is to win a public vote on her vote vs remain.

Originally Posted by jfman

As we know Theresa May categorically rejecting something is not equivalent to it being an impossible future event.

So what does she want? People to write to their MP? Tell YouGov they like the deal?

I’m sure as many people see her words tonight as had she said them at lunchtime via the dispatch box given the wall to wall coverage Brexit gets. Was she on BBC 1, or ITV?

You’re missing the point of the event.

She was talking to us but speaking to them (to quote Basil Fawlty). A public address on prime time TV gets everyone’s attention and gives the PM a PR advantage in the hearts and minds of the public. She’s cast herself as their defender against the perfidious Commons. But the substance of her address was a threat to MPs that it’s time to make the hard choice. We leave on 29 March without a deal, or at some point between late May and late June with the WA as agreed between the EU and HMG.

All the breathless commentary about the third, fourth and fifth options simply aren’t going to fly. The choice on offer is binary, and that’s all there is to it.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

‘ i predict she will say to the nation, it’s the deal or no deal’

that’s pretty much how she left it, yes.

She’s also has just blamed the very parliament she needs to back her deal, parliament will not let her get away with that

An impotent parliament that need pushing or dragging, screaming and kicking to her deal. All power to her.

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Originally Posted by Chris

I know you don’t like it but today, with the EU’s help, she’s called it. It’s time for MPs to show their hand. The game is almost over.

Nut say hello to shell.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Chris

I find it fascinating that in everything that has happened today, everyone has basically found validation of whatever they already thought would/should happen next.

Myself, I can see nothing in the speech May has just delivered that justifies the view that a referendum is on the way. The rhetoric about the weary public and it being “high time” politicians made the decisions are aimed squarely at the Commons.

I know you don’t like it but today, with the EU’s help, she’s called it. It’s time for MPs to show their hand. The game is almost over.

I think it's about time they just accepted the fact that we're leaving with or without a withdrawal agreement.