Brexit

[Sephiroth]

What a mess. In terms of this forum, the Remainers must be happy that Brexit has a chance of receding; the Leavers are shocked at the abrogation of democracy by the shitty parliamentarians.

The Remainers will call the shitty stuff going on in Parliament democracy in action; they wil cal a majority of 1 in Parliament the height of democracy whereas they ignore the weight of 1 million in the Referendum.

The Remainers should really be arguing the merits they see in remaining in the EU rather than twisting definitions of democracy.

[Pierre]

Six more months of the same circular arguments.

I’m not coming back on here until the status quo has changed and there’s actually something new to discuss.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Six more months of the same circular arguments.

I’m not coming back on here until the status quo has changed and there’s actually something new to discuss.

Don't be daft, where would you go for the next 17 years

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What a mess. In terms of this forum, the Remainers must be happy that Brexit has a chance of receding; the Leavers are shocked at the abrogation of democracy by the shitty parliamentarians.

The Remainers will call the shitty stuff going on in Parliament democracy in action; they wil cal a majority of 1 in Parliament the height of democracy whereas they ignore the weight of 1 million in the Referendum.

The Remainers should really be arguing the merits they see in remaining in the EU rather than twisting definitions of democracy.

We could easily have been out of the EU by now if the ERG hadn't gambled on a no-deal Brexit. Looking for others to blame than yourself is human nature for some; Rees-Mogg should man up and apologise to the nation. Ironically, he's the best friend of Remain due to his poor judgment and Macron is the best friend of Leave due to his desire for a short extension!

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

What a mess. In terms of this forum, the Remainers must be happy that Brexit has a chance of receding; the Leavers are shocked at the abrogation of democracy by the shitty parliamentarians.

The Remainers will call the shitty stuff going on in Parliament democracy in action; they wil cal a majority of 1 in Parliament the height of democracy whereas they ignore the weight of 1 million in the Referendum.

The Remainers should really be arguing the merits they see in remaining in the EU rather than twisting definitions of democracy.

Democracy - having 3* General Elections in under 5 years, because circumstances have changed, and the voting public have the right to change their mind.

Not Democracy - having 2 Referendums in under 3 years, because circumstances have changed, and the voting public have the right to change their mind.

*it’s highly likely we will have a GE within the next year.

[jonbxx]

The poor chap at work who is in overall charge of our companies Brexit preparations from the commercial side of things is a happy boy today - he now can have a well deserved holiday and come back to his normal job for a little while.

Our work was pretty much ready - all the IT systems were tested and ready to run, a select number of customer service people were trained, couriers set up and new legal entities created. Does anyone want to rent some warehouse space? We have ambient and temperature controlled space going spare now

[jfman]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I don't think parliament has ever seen a bigger prat than him and that's saying something with bozo and Corbyn sat there, every time that berk opens his mouth he damages the leave cause

I only brought it up to pay homage to our beloved Seph. The first person is ever heard use the word perfidious.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Six more months of the same circular arguments.

I’m not coming back on here until the status quo has changed and there’s actually something new to discuss.

I’m inclined to propose, and I’m not sure who would all agree, to propose a truce of sorts.

Many of us disagree and I think we’d accept won’t. So could just accept that fact without going round and round.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We could easily have been out of the EU by now if the ERG hadn't gambled on a no-deal Brexit. Looking for others to blame than yourself is human nature for some; Rees-Mogg should man up and apologise to the nation. Ironically, he's the best friend of Remain due to his poor judgment and Macron is the best friend of Leave due to his desire for a short extension!

Well, you could say that, but at least he was attempting to deliver Brexit without having one or more feet in the EU.

It's the remainers who should be ashamed of themselves because they were trying to undermine the result of the referendum, and also the mandate of their own political parties in the case of Conservative and Labour remainers.

It's no good blaming the wrong people for this mess. It's the remainers who have voted against Brexit that have no scruples.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, you could say that, but at least he was attempting to deliver Brexit without having one or more feet in the EU.

It's the remainers who should be ashamed of themselves because they were trying to undermine the result of the referendum, and also the mandate of their own political parties in the case of Conservative and Labour remainers.

It's no good blaming the wrong people for this mess. It's the remainers who have voted against Brexit that have no scruples.

Utter nonsense, but, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Many pro Brexit MP's voted against TM's deal because in their eyes it kept us at risk of being tied to the EU for an indefinite period of time.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, you could say that, but at least he was attempting to deliver Brexit without having one or more feet in the EU.

It's the remainers who should be ashamed of themselves because they were trying to undermine the result of the referendum, and also the mandate of their own political parties in the case of Conservative and Labour remainers.

It's no good blaming the wrong people for this mess. It's the remainers who have voted against Brexit that have no scruples.

That makes no sense. You're saying it's alright for Leaver MPs to vote against Theresa May's deal but not Remainer MPs?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, you could say that, but at least he was attempting to deliver Brexit without having one or more feet in the EU.

It's the remainers who should be ashamed of themselves because they were trying to undermine the result of the referendum, and also the mandate of their own political parties in the case of Conservative and Labour remainers.

It's no good blaming the wrong people for this mess. It's the remainers who have voted against Brexit that have no scruples.

wrong again OB it the brexiteers that voted against Brexit we would have been out by now if they hadn't as said before gonna be a softer Brexit now or no Brexit at all would brexiteer mps that voted against Brexit want that instead of leaving

Originally Posted by Dave42

wrong again OB it the brexiteers that voted against Brexit we would have been out by now if they hadn't as said before gonna be a softer Brexit now or no Brexit at all would brexiteer mps that voted against Brexit want that instead of leaving

He is not wrong, actually. May’s deal. It’s not actually Brexit. Something I keep pointing out to you.

And Um, are you conveniently forgetting a whole wrath of Remain MPs also voted to reject May’s deal, (that’s not actually Brexit). ?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

He is not wrong, actually. May’s deal. It’s not actually Brexit. Something I keep pointing out to you.

And Um, are you conveniently forgetting a whole wrath of Remain MPs also voted to reject May’s deal, (that’s not actually Brexit). ?

This is getting all rather circular. There's no doubt that May's deal is Brexit - just ask any lawyer. Repeating that it's not Brexit doesn't alter the facts.
Of course, it may not feel like Brexit to you and you may desire a no-deal Brexit but that's a different matter.

[Mr K]

That's the one of the many problems with Brexit, one person's Brexit is not another's, and why the whole process is flawed. Its also why we need a confirmatory vote when we know exactly what the country is being signed up to (if MPs ever decide...).