Formula 1 2009 Season [may contain real time spoilers] - Page 54

Hom3r · 16-09-2009, 20:14

Renault should be banned and stripped of all points this season

mr_bo · 16-09-2009, 20:30

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Originally Posted by hedgie

Lets say Renault nee Benetton have form

when it comes to exploiting the rules. They were the first to try and argue Launch Control was not traction control and then there was the pit lane refuelling accident with Jos Verstappen; the investigation found that the team had removed components from the standard FIA fuel rig which had a side effect of causing an incease fuel flow (Hence shorter pitstops)

And if memory serves me right, wasn't schumacher in a benetton each time he punted jacques and damon off the track at world championship deciding moments?

dev · 16-09-2009, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Renault should be banned and stripped of all points this season

Do you think about the actions you want before posting?

Considering the 3 people involved are no longer at Renault what would banning Renault do exactly except lose innocent people their jobs?

I'm not expecting any major action against Renault as the team as a whole did not plan the crash and so should not suffer any penalties.

Hom3r · 16-09-2009, 20:41

Didn't Mclaren get stripped of all point even though the guilt party had left?

Kymmy · 16-09-2009, 20:42

NPjr could have simply of gone to another type of racing and probably made a success.. Now he's officially labelled not only Renault as cheats but also himself.. I personally think it's taken a lot of courage to do what he's done as a coward would have slinked away, possibly blackmailed the team and raced elsewhere..

banjo · 16-09-2009, 20:59

Flavio did say that NPjr had tried to blackmail him, after all NPjr did the deed and not the courageous thing which would have been to expose the whole rotten plot.

hedgie · 16-09-2009, 21:46

This scenario is discussed on other forums;

1-Dave Richards & Prodrive take over the Renualt squad and their F1 entry in the winter.
2-Renault remain as an engine supplier, stay in F1 but withou toperating their own team.

Jon T · 16-09-2009, 21:55

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ

Could the fact that this crash was allegedly staged have affected the outcome of the 2008 championship?

No, Hamilton was infront of Massa. Lewis finished 3rd, Massa 11th or 12th.

nomadking · 16-09-2009, 22:01

Didn't Heidfeld 'let' Hamilton pass on the last lap, which just by pure coincidence meant that Hamilton won the Championship along with the PR for F1 that followed.

IIRC Damon Hill once complained that in the final race of a season(can't remember which), he was 'ordered' to let Schumacher pass, so that he still had the opportunity to win the championship.

Kymmy · 16-09-2009, 22:09

A driver allowing another one to pass isn't against any rules, where as a team ordering a driver to do the same thing is.

Team orders probably do exist and are probably within a drivers verbal briefing pre-race (like this NPjr incident), but it's hard to prove otherwise

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Originally Posted by Jon T

No, Hamilton was infront of Massa. Lewis finished 3rd, Massa 11th or 12th.

But what were there positions pre-accident? The race results would have been very different if the pit-stops had been held in a time other than a safety car incident.

Might see if I can find the race to download and see what the positions were

dev · 17-09-2009, 01:48

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Originally Posted by Hom3r

Didn't Mclaren get stripped of all point even though the guilt party had left?

McLaren got stripped of points + the fine due to the way they handled it. They denied it went any further than the people who left which was a lie and got found out. They lied to the WMSC and so got punished severely for that. Look at the lieing incident from the start of this season, Dave Ryan left as did Ron Dennis and McLaren as a team had no real punishment (except disquali for lieing again).

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

But what were there positions pre-accident? The race results would have been very different if the pit-stops had been held in a time other than a safety car incident.

Pretty sure Massa was running away with it and would have won but to say Renault fixed the championship is a stretch as they didn't directly cause Ferrari to mess the pit stop up.

Kymmy · 17-09-2009, 08:53

Yeah but even a single point for massa would have crowned him world champion

hedgie · 17-09-2009, 09:06

The problem with this thread of speculation is that any change in the result from Singapore had the potential to change the way ALL the teams approached the following races.

I have been thinking about "team orders" as well. Its one thing to shuffle your drivers, Rubens/Schumi/Austria/Ferrari for example, that is in your control as a team and I think will always happen. What Renault appear to have done not only compromised the safety of its own staff, track workers etc but also to interfere with the the way ALL the other teams ran their respective races. Thats what makes it different to team orders.

Dont shoot me down for the next bit please

......posing a question nothing more !

The question I ask is was Alonso in on it? Why else would he have gone down such an aggressive strategy route? Ok , after all on a street circuit the chance of someone having an off was pretty high.

Kymmy · 17-09-2009, 09:12

I don;t think we'll know if he was or wasn't...

FB & PS could have manipulated him by his fuel load or even a simple PIT NOW order..

hedgie · 17-09-2009, 09:25

If you believe how much effort Senna and Schumi would use in working with the team on setup up and strategy I suspect they would have wnated to understand the approach to the strategy.

Like you say we will probably never know......