VM admit that STM hours vary without notice

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by TraxData

I used to do the 9gig ones...i still do sometimes, depends what Chan it has been capped off, anything off CBS is not worth it (quality is barely above SD IMO). Fox isnt much better either.

I have too many hard drives, all fun, i forget where half of my files are

Well my next purchase will be 4 terabyte drives to replace the 500 gig ones. Will then move the 500 gig ones to a new server next to the existing one in the shed .

---------- Post added at 21:03 ---------- Previous post was at 20:56 ----------

Originally Posted by piggy

@popper

what profit?? if you factor in the loan repayments cable hasnt made a profit yet!!

Then maybe VM needs to start making people pay for there service instead of giving it away to everyone that says they are going to leave. I know one person who only pays 4.99 a month for 20 meg because they blagged a "i will leave" reduction.

Everyday you read on this forum how so and so got this reduction because they said they would leave, We all know its a blag just to get a reduction.

Virgin needs to make the blagger's pay the full price instead of playing to there lies.

So before you have a go at me who pays for his service, Start with the blaggers and cloner's.

[AmAtoL]

Originally Posted by Mad Ad

No i think it might be TF2

/me waves at Ama

Lol, hey there MadAd, blooming long time no see
The lad has got TF2 and plays it a bit and also has Garrys Mod but his favourite one is the Specialists, dunno why but it is
I've not played TF2 or TFC since 2005, I've been playing Battlefield 2 & 2142.
Any gaming is a trial atm as you may have gathered, not like the good old days when the C&W 56k could ping a nice 130 to Wireplay

Take care Ad

Sorry OP off topic

[flashpaul]

@ Sirius

Out of interest how much better is the quality when you download a 10GB+ rip

I have a few 1.1GB 720p rips and they look amazing , are the larger rips really worth it ?

Originally Posted by flashpaul

@ Sirius

Out of interest how much better is the quality when you download a 10GB+ rip

I have a few 1.1GB 720p rips and they look amazing , are the larger rips really worth it ?

If you think those 1.1gb mkv rips look amazing (i think they look terrible btw, barely worth the upgrade from the 400mb xvids imo) then you'll lose the 9+gig rips!

[popper]

Originally Posted by piggy

@popper

nice long post, but meanwhile in the real world the network is stuffed!!

you missed out that 'informed' as in, real facts from the real world.

its clear when you said "i dont have any answers" and "but the network is over-subscribed" you dont know anything about this subject, but thats OK, as i gave you some answers and the reasons why directly from real facts

if you had read and understood my post, then you would have realised it was giving you answers for both.

you dont believe that article do you??

hmm, so you dont want to beleave this report eather, do you actually live in the real world!

that article too, made it pritty clear even for a non techy reader just how it intended to work in the real world.

pay as you go will be here sooner rather than later and i do believe a 1000gb would be a tad more than £37 a month

sure, and it wont work as you expect it too, no one in their right mind would sign up for any primary high bandwidth use PAYG broadband , well apart from people with more money than sense in your world perhaps.

theres a reason the mobile PAYG 'Pay By The Mbit Download' didnt take off in this country and why your now seeing fixed monthly rate mobile data packages taking its place, theres no high market share in PBTMbD.

@traxdata

piggy said:what profit?? if you factor in the loan repayments cable hasnt made a profit yet!!

Doh, the profit Virgin Media are making by taking far more user subs for the given over subscribed UBRs, rather than the fewer subs they would be taking if it was only at designed capacity .

lets see if i can break my post down so even you can understand.

in the real world, people pay a price for a service and expect to get that payed for service as per contract.

you as an end user are taking the easy option and blaming the other users for not getting what you pay for, and your wrong.

businesses, such as the one in canada, are not going to blame the users for the throttling.

infact they are rightly so,blaming the supplyers they have contracted with to supply them an agreed and set bandwidth (give or take a small % over time)not a varying throttled connection...,they will take them to court or arbitration but they will get what they pay for.

why dont you take the same stance?, thats not the easy option though is it,far easyer to blame something or someone you cant control, right.

VM are using £millions of your subscription cash to finance ineffective adverts both in the past and right now..., instead of using that cash to bulk up the re-investment cashpot to buy far more UBR cards and related kit while the price is really low , that time to buy is right now.

and finally, all the ISPs not just Virgin Media, complain about the Torrent and streaming video uptake.

but not one of them puts in their pocket and initiates a simple plan to help the torrent users, coders,network or even themselves by paying a few coders afew quid to extend the P2p/torrent codebase.

they refuse to re-activate (they go out of their way to turn it OFF, to make it clear to you)the existing Multicasting capabilitys in all their routers and related kit, and help code up a near realtime multicasting video streaming server.

there are plenty to choose from, VLC being to most popular end user Muticasting client/server and they and everyone would benefit ,not least the ISPs saving masses of bandwidth.

so spend a few quid helping the java AZ and the VLC projects and turning on existing as in for free multicasting, and everyone wins.

verses , spend a few million UKP on US actors adverts and .....,ohh we get a few more users to help over subscribe that new/old UBR....

[ceedee]

Tech Support now accept that the STM is broke...

From the virginmedia.support.broadband.cable newsgroup:

>>> "kxxxxxxxf" <kxxxxxxxf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uYQFj.27887$XI.4415@text.news.virginmedia.com ...
>>>> Virgin Media Technical Support - Kxxx Rxx wrote:
>>>>
>
> Hi,
>
> you are currently being STM'd now....good news...it should end shortly.
>

So, we can surmise from this that the STM was applied before the 4:00pm
time it is supposed to kick in, i.e at around 12:30pm today.

Is it new policy or the machinations not working properly?

thanx for the confirmation

>>>> "kxxxxxxxf" <kxxxxxxxf@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:uYQFj.27887$XI.4415@text.news.virginmedia.com ...
>>>>> Virgin Media Technical Support - Kxxx Rxx wrote:

Hi,

I don't know if this is policy or a glitch. We will feed this back to the
network guys to check the config etc.

--
Kind Regards
Kxxx Rxx
Virgin Media Technical Support
http://status2.virginmedia.com/

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by piggy

if i was running a buisness with limited bandwidth then yes i would kick you off

If they start kicking people there will have to be big changes across the service with regard to billing and advertising.

The root problem here is the miss-selling of services by the providers themselves.

Originally Posted by piggy

i dont have any answers but the network is over-subscribed if the figures of the top 3% are true then i would kick those aswell but where do you stop??

Cease adding new customers when you can't support the existing ones would seem to be a prudent step?

Originally Posted by Magilla

If they start kicking people there will have to be big changes across the service with regard to billing and advertising.

The root problem here is the miss-selling of services by the providers themselves.



Cease adding new customers when you can't support the existing ones would seem to be a prudent step?

VM will not stop adding new customers due to the fact that they cannot give the full service they are being paid for because that would lose them money, and so what they do is vastly hype up the service to drag customers in then when something goes wrong they give the V sign, that is the first letter in VM see, what the M stands for is certainly not media, suggestions on a postcard to......

[Web-Junkie]

VM = Very Misleading, obviously!

[AmAtoL]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Then maybe VM needs to start making people pay for there service instead of giving it away to everyone that says they are going to leave. I know one person who only pays 4.99 a month for 20 meg because they blagged a "i will leave" reduction.

Everyday you read on this forum how so and so got this reduction because they said they would leave, We all know its a blag just to get a reduction.

Virgin needs to make the blagger's pay the full price instead of playing to there lies.

So before you have a go at me who pays for his service, Start with the blaggers and cloner's.

Exactly right, VM could/should be much more strict on who they sign up for their services. No credit checks are done, no mandatory DD payments scheme etc. people know that they can sign up for 20 meg and basically not pay anything until it has gone all round the houses to debt recovery then churn, only then will they pay a piffling amount. VM does not need these sort of customers on its books but won't do anything to address it due to the customer base figures. You wouldn't believe how much is spent on outsourced debt recovery agencies chasing up these wasters, and for what, for them to do it all over again in 3 months time.
Much stricter credit control is needed, but it will never happen.

[Druchii]

Originally Posted by AmAtoL

Exactly right, VM could/should be much more strict on who they sign up for their services. No credit checks are done, no mandatory DD payments scheme etc. people know that they can sign up for 20 meg and basically not pay anything until it has gone all round the houses to debt recovery then churn, only then will they pay a piffling amount. VM does not need these sort of customers on its books but won't do anything to address it due to the customer base figures. You wouldn't believe how much is spent on outsourced debt recovery agencies chasing up these wasters, and for what, for them to do it all over again in 3 months time.
Much stricter credit control is needed, but it will never happen.

That is incorrect, we were subject to a credit check for our account to be opened, then again, form our neighbourhood i'm not surprised...

[AmAtoL]

Originally Posted by Druchii

That is incorrect, we were subject to a credit check for our account to be opened, then again, form our neighbourhood i'm not surprised...

Well whatever...
Still hasn't discouraged the hundreds of thousands who can't pay or won't pay

[piggy]

Originally Posted by popper

you missed out that 'informed' as in, real facts from the real world.

its clear when you said "i dont have any answers" and "but the network is over-subscribed" you dont know anything about this subject, but thats OK, as i gave you some answers and the reasons why directly from real facts

if you had read and understood my post, then you would have realised it was giving you answers for both.


hmm, so you dont want to beleave this report eather, do you actually live in the real world!

that article too, made it pritty clear even for a non techy reader just how it intended to work in the real world.



sure, and it wont work as you expect it too, no one in their right mind would sign up for any primary high bandwidth use PAYG broadband , well apart from people with more money than sense in your world perhaps.

theres a reason the mobile PAYG 'Pay By The Mbit Download' didnt take off in this country and why your now seeing fixed monthly rate mobile data packages taking its place, theres no high market share in PBTMbD.


Doh, the profit Virgin Media are making by taking far more user subs for the given over subscribed UBRs, rather than the fewer subs they would be taking if it was only at designed capacity .

lets see if i can break my post down so even you can understand.

in the real world, people pay a price for a service and expect to get that payed for service as per contract.

you as an end user are taking the easy option and blaming the other users for not getting what you pay for, and your wrong.

businesses, such as the one in canada, are not going to blame the users for the throttling.

infact they are rightly so,blaming the supplyers they have contracted with to supply them an agreed and set bandwidth (give or take a small % over time)not a varying throttled connection...,they will take them to court or arbitration but they will get what they pay for.

why dont you take the same stance?, thats not the easy option though is it,far easyer to blame something or someone you cant control, right.

VM are using £millions of your subscription cash to finance ineffective adverts both in the past and right now..., instead of using that cash to bulk up the re-investment cashpot to buy far more UBR cards and related kit while the price is really low , that time to buy is right now.

and finally, all the ISPs not just Virgin Media, complain about the Torrent and streaming video uptake.

but not one of them puts in their pocket and initiates a simple plan to help the torrent users, coders,network or even themselves by paying a few coders afew quid to extend the P2p/torrent codebase.

they refuse to re-activate (they go out of their way to turn it OFF, to make it clear to you)the existing Multicasting capabilitys in all their routers and related kit, and help code up a near realtime multicasting video streaming server.

there are plenty to choose from, VLC being to most popular end user Muticasting client/server and they and everyone would benefit ,not least the ISPs saving masses of bandwidth.

so spend a few quid helping the java AZ and the VLC projects and turning on existing as in for free multicasting, and everyone wins.

verses , spend a few million UKP on US actors adverts and .....,ohh we get a few more users to help over subscribe that new/old UBR....

@popper
people do have different opinions, writing long posts dosnt always make yours right

i fully understand what your getting at and also where the money should be spent but im talking of the real world and all isps oversubscribe its not right and i dont agree with it but that is the real world profit first customers second, the whole broadband market in the uk is a con with plenty of spin we have all seen the "upto" and "unlimited" deals they dont exsist!!

@sirius

im not having ago at you personally i have just stated my opinion anybody who downloads 100's of gigs a week i wouldnt want them on my network
i wouldnt knock the individuals its the system thats wrong there should be a plain english FUP at the start of the t&cs not buried somwhere in the middle

i fully understand what your getting at and also where the money should be spent but im talking of the real world and all isps oversubscribe its not right and i dont agree with it but that is the real world profit first customers second, the whole broadband market in the uk is a con with plenty of spin we have all seen the "upto" and "unlimited" deals they dont exsist!!

It's a UK only thing, when in frace i get 100mbit symetric, truely unlimited.

Hell even the old 8mbit ADSL i had in france was really unlimited, download and upload as much as you like.

Let's not get me started on the tokyo 1gbit connection i used for a while

@sirius

im not having ago at you personally i have just stated my opinion anybody who downloads 100's of gigs a week i wouldnt want them on my network
i wouldnt knock the individuals its the system thats wrong there should be a plain english FUP at the start of the t&cs not buried somwhere in the middle

100+gig/week is not alot of data at all in this day and age, so really you'd kick anyone off who enjoyed watching a few HD tv eps and movies a week? that makes no sense.

And you need to realise heavy users who download constantly dont affect the network all that much, its just a spin VM want you to believe.

Its the p2p users who are constantly uploading that drag the network to its knees.

[Druchii]

Originally Posted by TraxData

i fully understand what your getting at and also where the money should be spent but im talking of the real world and all isps oversubscribe its not right and i dont agree with it but that is the real world profit first customers second, the whole broadband market in the uk is a con with plenty of spin we have all seen the "upto" and "unlimited" deals they dont exsist!!

It's a UK only thing, when in frace i get 100mbit symetric, truely unlimited.

Hell even the old 8mbit ADSL i had in france was really unlimited, download and upload as much as you like.

Let's not get me started on the tokyo 1gbit connection i used for a while


100+gig/week is not alot of data at all in this day and age, so really you'd kick anyone off who enjoyed watching a few HD tv eps and movies a week? that makes no sense.

And you need to realise heavy users who download constantly dont affect the network all that much, its just a spin VM want you to believe.

Its the p2p users who are constantly uploading that drag the network to its knees.

I dunno about 100Gb a week not being a lot mate, to me it's stupid amounts of data. In the past few weeks, i think 3 since it started coutning i've used about 35Gb. And i've been watching episodes of tv and all sorts pretty much none stop in spare time. How can i do this in 35Gb and you in, if i recall correctly, TB's?