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Originally Posted by Toto
OK, never heard of that expression before. I'm Welsh, A rugby fan.
So, VM actually getting rid of high users, now there's a PR disaster in the making.
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Originally Posted by piggy
imo it would a very good move downloading whores should be banned no isp needs/wants them the only problem is what is a acceptable figure!! (ill get my coat  ) |
well it is my 2000th post so i thought i might as well make it a long informed one
well you have obviously not thought this through in any reasonable way.
Toto is exactly right, a disaster waiting to happen, did you not see Virgin Media taking full advantage of the ASA ruling by currently advertising "fibre optic cable network" all over the show?
Virgin Media advertise we have the newest, fastest,best unlimited broadband fibre blitz ,then kick the top 3% or whatever because they cant take the download hit Hmmm.
so its your informed opinion that some users are taking full advantage of their payed for service, and in doing so are taking your bandwidth due to lack of capacity, your so called 'downloading whores'.
so it must be assumed that the capacity problem if any, cant be in the Virgin Media core backbone due to the old April 2nd 2007 announcement, i covered here.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34476302
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...86&newsLang=en
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...
Virgin Media provides high quality digital TV, Internet and telephone services to nearly 3 million subscribers throughout the UK.
In addition to supporting all of its own broadband customers, Virgin Media also leases capacity on its core network to several of the UK’s leading ISPs, so the Juniper Networks T-series will be supporting an expansive network capable of delivering Internet-based communications services to more
than 12 million UK homes (more than 50 percent of the total households in the UK), and 85 percent of UK businesses.
“Service reliability, throughput speed and scalable capacity are the main criteria that will enable a successful roll-out of next-generation network services in both the immediate future and in the long term,” said Rob Sim, Head of Network Architecture at Virgin Media.
“We wanted to put support for 40G in place now, and both the T640 and TX Matrix platforms from Juniper
enable us to support 40G as soon as needed.
Also, as the capacity demands on our network grow,
we can easily upgrade the T640 to TX Matrix as required, whilst maintaining both operational and service consistency without an operating system change.”
...
"
so the problem you might think, would be at the edge, and in Virgin Media's case thats the UBR cards,yes...
well guess what, the price of these cards/port price have been and are droping like a stone.
not only that, but they are getting far more up and down ports due to the Docsis 2.0b/pre3.0 push and i covered that here.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/10...l#post34470723
http://www.lightreading.com/document...&page_number=1
"CMTS Downstream Prices PlummetDECEMBER 28, 2007
Timing is everything.
Just as cable operators prepare to test and launch Internet services with speedier downstream capabilities, the top three providers of cable modem termination system (CMTS) gear -- Cisco Systems Inc. (Nasdaq: CSCO - message board), Arris Group Inc. (Nasdaq: ARRS - message board), and Motorola Inc. (NYSE: MOT - message board) -- have developed, or are in the process of developing, new downstream-heavy modules that snap into their widely deployed CMTS chassis. Along with denser downstream footprints, these new cards are also having a profound effect on CMTS pricing.
CMTS downstream port prices are "dropping like a rock," says Patti Reali, an analyst with Gartner Inc. In the early going, much of that trend, she notes, is being driven by Cisco and its development of a special module/linecard. That card, dubbed the Shared Port Adapter (SPA), fits into Cisco's flagship CMTS, the uBR10012.
But the story doesn't start and end with Cisco. Although the CMTS market leader can already point to trials and deployments for its downstream-heavy module, Motorola is gathering steam with its entry, the TX32. Meanwhile, Arris, which is making a run at increased CMTS market share, tells Cable Digital News that it has a new, specialized CMTS card in the making.
While the minimum configuration for Docsis 3.0 calls for the bonding of at least four upstream and four downstream channels, most operators are expected to begin their migration to 3.0-based services by bonding downstream channels.
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so..., if for every single users payments per month, Virgin Media are taking x% out for re-investment into the network,
then these drops in UBR card prices means
they can infact buy far more cards for the same cash outlay, and yet get even more ports per card.
a win/win it might seem for everyone especially the users, IF VM are infact spending this same set aside re-investment cash for that purpose,yes?
however, we now hear that virgin Media PR have to find a way to pay yet another high profile US star actor advertising blitz
(mick missed that one for the front page news BTW) alongside the already payed for condescending Uma Thurman and iritating ruby wax adverts.
you have to wonder what they will have him say to try and sell you more VM product
.
that not withstanding, its yet another outgoing that has to come out of your consumers monthy fees, will it perhaps be taken from the VM re-investment cash and interest?
http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/...-virgin-media/
"Samuel L. Jackson has been named as the new face of British cable TV company Virgin Media."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/money/c...9520-20335371/
"Virgin Media is pinning hopes on Hollywood star Samuel L Jackson after racking up heavy losses at the end of last year.
The UK's second biggest pay TV operator has hired the Pulp Fiction star to plug its video-on-demand service."
OK,so to move on...
its a good job (some might say,or not...)the whole UK only have Virgin Media now as its (cable) supplyer, as it means
they own the whole Network end to end,and so any good choices they make are good all round, OC VM seem only good at making bad choices, but thats beside the point for now
would you like to be in the position the Canadian vendors now find themselves in here
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/B...ell-Them-92915
Bell Canada Throttles Wholesalers, Doesn't Bother To Tell Them
09:30AM Monday Mar 24 2008 by Karl
"...Bell Canada is throttling traffic before it reaches wholesale partners. According to Teksavvy CEO Rocky Gaudrault..."
and here
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r201...xia-throttling
how long before they are taken to arbitration or court i wonder?, because thats what your suposed to do when you arnt getting what you contract and pay for right!....
moving on....
given that the above virgin media re-investment, core network, and new and improved UBR Edge cards are infact still in place, and now vm have got rid of/lost one of the internal slackers, and replaced them with Andrew Barron as its managing director of strategy to help exploit its "natural advantages".
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...ategy.html?rss
he says
"Virgin Media has some important natural advantages that we are determined to exploit in order to grow our business and deliver a genuinely
differentiated proposition that meets consumers’ changing expectations," said Berkett. "Andrew’s experience will be invaluable in helping us meet this
challenge."
how might they do that?...., if your (OC you are) going to point out the P2p/torrent users are using (downloading whores/leaching,etc) all this external capacity, then its perfectly obvious to those people that have infact given this some real thought....
apparently you didnt give it any thought, and want to kick the cash paying customers that pay the company bills etc.
stop blaming the paying users...,they are paying into your re-investment fund continuesly month on month.
stop trying to compensate for this past lack of real long term system investment per head, by paying for yet another multi million ad blitz, and just use that money to buy far more of the friggin UBR cards and kit, fit them and re-seg....as you should have been doing all along.
these are just the tip of the iceberg OC, how might Andrew Barron (and associates), the new MD of strategy deal with this external bandwidth cost problem on the cheap, alongside the other investments already outlined, he must like that idea
as it makes him far more productive right?...
the most obvious first:
set aside a tiny amount of cash in comparison to the other outlays and pay some internal VM and external code developers to actually look at the freely available P2p/Torrent codebase and really help extend and improve it's effectivness with some real code contribution from the ISPs and do it NOW.
how, and what options are needed, thats easy...
1: tweak and extend its DHT code to make sure it does 'best effort' to keep the torrent swarm (in this order)inside the LAN,then the WAN, then the UBR segment, the ISP segment,the Internal ISP core,the fastest peered other ISPs,less fast peered,the national Co-location sites,
international...
it might need a little tweak here and there on the last parts, and you need to allow for pulling in and given out the less popular content etc, but overall its going to save a lot of external costs with just a small sweak of that one simple DHT code for virtually no cost but time of your
internal and exteranl coders, just do it.
2:
my long favoured option, but it will take a little more effort on the ISPs and coders part,
is pay for the coders to retrofit Multicast DHT and related code and protocols into the free P2p/Torrent java AZ codebase using, and adapting parts of the existing code and protocols (Bamboo,Mtunnel,all the old MBONE etc) or write your own, and release it under the same free licence as the AZ java codebase.
the biggy for Virgin Media with its 52% UK cable coverage, and the other ISPs it seems, is reactivating multicasting on all the existing internal routers and related kit, all the way to the end users.
you need to do this (re-activate) Multicast anyway for the new Docsis3 kit as its mandatory, but if you cant bring yourself to do that quickly (as a trial perhaps,sign me up) for the old IPv4 stacks and kit (you can though) then get your payed coders to add that Multicast
tunneling capability iv been asking for directly into the java codebase for use by your extended Multicast P2p/Torrent DHT code, if direct Multicast isnt (currently if ever) available to the users or their ISP werever in the world that might be.
if your (post Mbone defeatest)coders say it cant be done, get yourself some new ones, and drag that old Mbone multicast CANDO thinking into the P2p age.
only after you have done 2 (because long term, its in everyones best interests, including the users) and 1 should you move on to
3: install and use the already existing torrent cacheing kit
"BitTorrent, Inc. has actively pursued commercial ventures with CacheLogic. CacheLogic is an ISP solution firm which seeks to lessen the bandwidth burden placed on networks by caching P2P traffic.
Caching servers, which are hosted by the ISP, maintains the most popular and most queried traffic. Instead of the BitTorrent client utilizing the ISP's external bandwidth to obtain the required file(s), traffic is contained between the cache server and the end user. In other words, the traffic is
maintained within the ISPs internal network, which is considerably cheaper than handling external traffic."
DONT just jump directly on 3: as it appears to be your simple quick fix answer...., really consider 1 and especially 2 please.
other bits, what goes for the P2p/torrent above also goes for the usenet (by far the bigger download user)put back the binary code caches and internal/directly peered (fater the better OC) news groups to include many of the most popular (you know which OC
).
you might be thinking ,the ISPs cant do internal/fast direct peered P2p/Torrent/NG binary cacheing as they are then breaking some law!.
Not so, as they are covered directly by the EU E-Commerce Directive European law
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...00L0031:EN:NOT
Internet Service Providers (ISPs) are
intermediaries. They are not, in law, responsible for what internet users do,
at least until this Phorm thing came along and they signed the contract.
OC it might be that the Phorm contracted ISPs covering 70% of the whole UK Broadband market, appear to infact be relinquishing their legal right to said intermediaries/E-Commerce Directive protection, now that they have infact signed comercial contracts with this 3rd party Phorm, to freely enter into 'a general obligation to monitor the network' but thats a whole new ball game and doesnt cancel out the above options to lessen or do away with throttling all together and improve everyones lot does it.
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