Update: Charlie Gard has died R.I.P

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40691478

Staff at Great Ormond Street Hospital have received death threats over the treatment of baby Charlie Gard.
The hospital said police had been called after families were "harassed" and "unacceptable behaviour" was recorded in the hospital.

Appalling! Here are people who dedicate their lives to looking after very sick children with very difficult and complex conditions that even Solomon would find it impossible to make a decision as to the best way forward and they get treated like this..

[papa smurf]

the hospital want's to turn off life support chances of survival 0%

the parents want to try a new treatment with a 10% success rate [i believe thats correct]

so what's the problem with trying ?while there's life there's hope would any parent give up on their baby ,this is bringing out emotions in people who like me can't understand the unwillingness to try there is nothing to lose here .

Missed the point entirely papa..again.It's the death threats that are the subject of this conversation.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Missed the point entirely papa..again.It's the death threats that are the subject of this conversation.

no you just ignored the fact that the hospital wants to euthanise him ,that's why the death threats are happening ,people want this child to be given every chance , there is a reason why people are getting emotional about this and it cannot be brushed under the carpet not even by you .

So it's OK to be a keyboard warrior and threaten violence against people who are just doing their best for the child.Charming.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

So it's OK to be a keyboard warrior and threaten violence against people who are just doing their best for the child.Charming.

i'm not saying that i'm saying emotions are running at fever pitch over this issue ,keyboard warriors type all sorts of rubbish that they have no intention of carrying out , but that is no excuse it does however show the feeling behind these threats people care about this child and where children are involved emotions take over reason that's just being human .

We're talking about Great Ormond Street here. An institution that is rightly well-respected and admired across the country. If anyone seriously thinks the medical staff who work there have anything other than the best of intentions, even if they disagree with some of their decisions, they need to step back for bit. The people who go as far to send threats to those doctors and nurses need their heads examined as well as a visit from the police.

My understanding is that this treatment is very experimental, clinical trails stage, and the medical staff at GOSH do not believe it be effective or required in this case. It's not a cure but something which slows the progression of the disease. Critically it doesn't reverse damage the disease has already happened.

GOSH are saying Charlie Gard has significant brain damage, cannot see, hear, or move. They believe that because of this it's not in his best interests to be kept alive and that he will continue to be pain.

The parents obviously do not want to give up. I don't think anyone could blame them either.

Sometimes things are just tragic all around and there is no easy answer or moral certainty. Even if a bunch of angry, dim-witted, morons think there is and send death threats as a result even after the child's parents have condemned such actions repeatedly.

This topic has a more standing issue.

No state or institution should have the right over parents and dictate that child's fate, especially if another institution, in another part of the world says they can provide some chance of success. I don't care how well respected GOSH is, they don't and should not have the right to end the childs life, against the parents wishes.

It's like on Friday, GOSH lawyers announcing in court the latest scan results, the parents should have had these results told to them in the hospital, not hearing such information in a legal proceeding, no wonder Charlie's dad shouted "Evil" at them and Charlie's mother storming out, this smacks if slyness and underhanded tactics, to try gain upperhand in a court setting, and it's like, to hell with communicating such findings with the parents in a compassionate manner, in the hospital, as it should be.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40691478



Appalling! Here are people who dedicate their lives to looking after very sick children with very difficult and complex conditions that even Solomon would find it impossible to make a decision as to the best way forward and they get treated like this..

Sadly abuse has become a increasing epidemic in this country and some need to look at themselves and use their brains before they opening their big abuse filled gobs.

[Osem]

Death threats have always been made whether by kids fighting in the playground, yobs in the street and even amongst families and neighbours. The only different now is that social media allows (even encourages) angry people to vent that anger in this manner and records it for others to view, speculate about and even weaponise. Does anyone seriously think that any of the staff at GOS are going to be killed? This sort of thing is clearly not acceptable and must be awful for the targets but let's get real.

As it stands the only person who's life is at serious risk is the poor child and I reckon any chance is better than no chance. If pain and suffering is the argument for terminating this life, how do the medics reconcile that with the fact that people are forced to endure pain and suffering every day withing the NHS in order to prolong their lives?

The money has been raised and any pain and suffering has been extended far longer due to all the legal argument about whether or not to give the treatment. Just get on with it, let the boy have a chance and let the desperate parents at least feel they did whatever they could. The treatment isn't going to cause any more pain than he's already suffering and if it doesn't work then that'll be the time to act.

Originally Posted by Osem

Death threats have always been made whether by kids fighting in the playground, yobs in the street and even amongst families and neighbours. The only different now is that social media allows (even encourages) angry people to vent that anger in this manner and records it for others to view, speculate about and even weaponise. Does anyone seriously think that any of the staff at GOS are going to be killed? This sort of thing is clearly not acceptable and must be awful for the targets but let's get real.
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It's not just social media. The hospital are saying people are coming up to them on the street if they're wearing anything by which they can be identified. It's a sick mind that abuses people whose job is working in a children's hospital.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Sadly abuse has become a increasing epidemic in this country and some need to look at themselves and use their brains before they opening their big abuse filled gobs.

Everyone just seems to be full of hate all the time.

We had a family across the road whose child had an illness that GOSH dealt with for years supporting both the kid and the parents the whole way with staff even coming to their house despite being way out of London. That hospital and it's staff are amongst the best anywhere in the world and bust a gut to help every child under their care I've seen nothing to say they are doing any less in this case and by the sounds of it this little kid has no real life and no possibility of that. It's a tragic situation and my heart goes out to the parents they are going through the worst nightmare any parent could ever go through and being so close they will grasp anything that may do something.

It has become the way things are that angry is now a much more common response to situations and the internet has allowed one angry person to reach and incite others to join in the anger. We're now at the point where the staff of a highly respected and regarded children's hospital are legitimate targets in the minds of some. This says a lot about the country we are and are becoming as things will only get worse.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

It's not just social media. The hospital are saying people are coming up to them on the street if they're wearing anything by which they can be identified. It's a sick mind that abuses people whose job is working in a children's hospital.

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Everyone just seems to be full of hate all the time.

I'm not surprised but those people have likely seen the stuff on social media first. It's not acceptable, fair or pleasant but it's what happens these days sadly and IMHO social media is largely responsible for spreading the extreme anger/hatred. Osem Jnr # 2 was treated at GOSH when he was a lad so I have no reason to have anything other than great respect for those who work there even though I disagree totally with their intention to end that young boy's life.

The ordinary council staff in Kensington had nothing to do with the Grenfell Towers tragedy yet they were confronted by an angry mob baying for blood and it wouldn't have taken very much for something really serious to kick off. Who was responsible for that? Rumours, wild claims, inflammatory remarks made, published online, exaggerated then republished soon creates anger and hostility based on very little. Sick minds hell bent on stirring up trouble amongst vulnerable and angry people did that. Just look at the anger being created by the propagation by certain politicians, 'community leaders', advisors etc. about the supposed police cover up re the number of dead. Pure stirring and political opportunism.

Everyone seems to be full of hate because social media propagates it and far too many people spend far too much of their time on it. I don't so my view is different. They have a direct interest in generating traffic and hits and so far seem to hev resisted any serious attempts to get them to be far more rigorous in removing this stuff from their sites. That's not surprising given the amount of money involved in those businesses. What, in the past, would have been an idle threat or two from some sad people suddenly gets picked up on, amplified then goes viral then the inevitable bandwagon jumping starts. People like Farage and Trump have been the victims of the most terrible abuse yet nobody much took it seriously - fair game they are apparently. I dare say a lot of people complaining about the abuse of GOS staff don't care quite so much when it's someone they don't like.

What people need to realise is that what goes around comes around and those playing nasty on the internet with anyone who dares to disagree will eventually be on the receiving end of similar nastiness. It feeds on itself and yes it will continue to escalate unless something is done to control the posting of threats, abuse etc. online. Loony lefties think it's just fine and cool to parade with effigies of the PM's severed head on a pole and their political leaders either condone it or say nothing.

Thankfully we're not yet at the point where these threats often translate into anything much more than hot air but we need to be careful about what's happening in front of our noses.

I think if the ruling tomorrow goes against the parents wishes, I think the abuse is only going to get angrier. People feel the State has too much power and deciding over the wishes of the parents.

But it is abolutely crucial we don't have a judicial system that is ruled by social mob justice via tweets and abuse. It's a very tragic case, not one any of us would even remotely want to be in.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

I think if the ruling tomorrow goes against the parents wishes, I think the abuse is only going to get angrier. People feel the State has too much power and deciding over the wishes of the parents.

But it is abolutely crucial we don't have a judicial system that is ruled by social mob justice via tweets and abuse. It's a very tragic case, not one any of us would even remotely want to be in.

It doesn't help that we have one the one hand a medical team who want to end a young life for reasons they've explained yet on the other there are so many people of perfectly sound mind who're forced to endure the most terrible suffering at the ends of their lives. It makes no sense to me.