Government intends to bring in Voter ID law. - Page 3

**Hugh** · 14-10-2019, 21:19

Here’s how they do it in NI.

https://www.eoni.org.uk/Electoral-Id...d/How-to-apply

**Damien** · 14-10-2019, 21:26

At least ID doesn't have to be current, so expired passports/driving licences will count.

TheDaddy · 14-10-2019, 21:49

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Originally Posted by denphone

So squaring the circle l would hazard a guess that several million voters don't have any of those two so unless there are other ways of confirming their identification that rules them out of casting their democratic vote.

Between three and four million iirc

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Originally Posted by Paul

The only thing I can see this achiving is a much lower turnout.

Indeed, I've been looking for an excuse not to bother and solidarity with those unable to vote is as good as any...

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Originally Posted by Damien

What is going to happen is a load of people are going to go to the polls unaware of this new policy and be turned away. There will be public information campaigns but they won't reach everyone.

The attempts to process the applications for council provided photo-id cards will be expensive and error-prone with many people falling inbetween administrative gaps because the council will be missing various details on many of the applications because the bureaucracy is a mess and we don't have a central database of citizens. Besides given the messes over the EU Settlement Scheme and Windrush how many people do you think trust the Government on these matters? Want to go look at how many European Citizens entitled to vote were turned away at the last European election?

So come the first election with this new system we'll see scandals over the applications at first and then scandals over it's implementation on voting day. This is going to be an expensive and bureaucratic nightmare in the making to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

20 million quid extra again iirc per national election

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Sorry, I was interrupted and didn’t fully explain myself. I also read that compulsory voting was being promoted, and this is what will, I believe, increase the Labour vote.

The ID thing is easily overcome.

Compulsory voting, doesn't sound very democratic to me...

**Damien** · 14-10-2019, 21:57

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

20 million quid extra again iirc per national election

I think the initial set-up will be more expensive. Seriously, they will screw up the roll out. They always do. The confidence the Government seems to have in adding new levels of paperwork in-between our everyday lives despite each attempt screwing up badly is amazing.

Arthurgray50@blu · 14-10-2019, 23:24

I am a strong Labour voter.

But sadly, if there is a general election before December. Which l believe their will be.

One thing is for certain.

I am, NOT voting Labour. We all know that Momentum party pull Corbyn strings. I am not voting for man that is a ****.

I will vote Lib Dems

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Editoral **** is not a swear word

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For members. The word l have used begins with a 'T'

Mr K · 15-10-2019, 08:27

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I am a strong Labour voter.

But sadly, if there is a general election before December. Which l believe their will be.

One thing is for certain.

I am, NOT voting Labour. We all know that Momentum party pull Corbyn strings. I am not voting for man that is a ****.

I will vote Lib Dems

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Editoral **** is not a swear word

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For members. The word l have used begins with a 'T'

Thing is Arthur given our crap electoral system, if you vote for a party that's 3rd in your constituency, you might be wasting your vote/helping the party you least want. Never mind voter ID, they should change the whole system so everybodies votes is equal/means something, no matter which constituency you're in.

tweetiepooh · 15-10-2019, 10:00

I wouldn't carry an ID card. I know who I am and shouldn't need to prove it.

Passports, licences etc are entitlement cards to show that you are UK citizen, can drive etc.

Why should you need to prove who you are to vote, you can "prove" that you can vote in an area because you are on "the list"? Maybe taking the polling card should be compulsory but even then...

**Maggy** · 15-10-2019, 10:15

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

I wouldn't carry an ID card. I know who I am and shouldn't need to prove it.

Passports, licences etc are entitlement cards to show that you are UK citizen, can drive etc.

Why should you need to prove who you are to vote, you can "prove" that you can vote in an area because you are on "the list"? Maybe taking the polling card should be compulsory but even then...

I'm not prepared to allow others to use my identity to commit fraud and to scam me.

GrimUpNorth · 15-10-2019, 10:22

Many of the youngsters these days are more than happy to carry ID with them. Lots of first time voters turn up at the polling station with their passport and/or driving license and are quite surprised when they don't need to prove who they are. It's just us old crusties that have an issue with change.

OLD BOY · 15-10-2019, 12:44

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

I wouldn't carry an ID card. I know who I am and shouldn't need to prove it.

Passports, licences etc are entitlement cards to show that you are UK citizen, can drive etc.

Why should you need to prove who you are to vote, you can "prove" that you can vote in an area because you are on "the list"? Maybe taking the polling card should be compulsory but even then...

I really don't understand your objection. The ID card would not be for the purpose of proving to yourself who you were!

It is prove to others that you are who you say you are.

papa smurf · 15-10-2019, 13:31

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I really don't understand your objection. The ID card would not be for the purpose of proving to yourself who you were!

It is prove to others that you are who you say you are.

It's none of their business who s/he is.

**Paul** · 15-10-2019, 14:26

I have no real objection to an ID card, if its free.

I would swap my driving licence for a photo one if they did it free, but they want to charge me - not happening.

Carth · 15-10-2019, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Paul

I have no real objection to an ID card, if its free.

I would swap my driving licence for a photo one if they did it free, but they want to charge me - not happening.

ditto

Pierre · 15-10-2019, 14:49

I have to show my ID if I'm picking up a parcel from the Post Office. Electing a person to office.....it's not unreasonable to be held to the same standard.

papa smurf · 15-10-2019, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I have to show my ID if I'm picking up a parcel from the Post Office. Electing a person to office.....it's not unreasonable to be held to the same standard.

You can use a debit or credit card for that purpose.

What ID do I need to collect my item?
Credit or debit card.
Bank or building society cheque/savings book.
Valid passport.
Driving licence.
NHS medical card.
Photo ID card (foreign national, military, police warrant, Royal Mail employee, NHS or senior citizen bus pass)

https://personal.help.royalmail.com/...issed-delivery