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Please just make it stop now. Nobody cares anymore. I don’t care if Johnson stays or goes. I don’t care if Starmer stays or goes.
Can we please just concentrate on getting the economy back on track, tackling inflation and interest rates and looking after the vulnerable.
You know, like important stuff.
These don't get much traction on forums like this because it's a longer-term problem with few developments a day. We can keep complaining about it but the story doesn't move on so weeks can go back with everyone discussing how bad inflation/cost of living is.
There isn't any chance of anyone in Europe taking the UK seriously again. We're an irrelevance.
Tell that utter nonsense to Ukrainian President Zelenskyy, who rates the UK quite highly, how much is the corrupt EU still paying to Russia for its gas?
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2. It was taken by Ivo Delingpole, the son of Breitbart, Telegraph and Spectator writer James Delingpole. When the video of circulated last April, he tweeted about it without mentioning that his son had filmed it. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-sink-starmer
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Wonder why you didn't point this possibly out to to posters who said that Starmer lied? Do you think Starmer is more honest than Johnson?
I thought I had, actually! Both were most probably of the view that they were not breaking the rules. But Starmer lied about Legs Rayner not being present, he said it was a ‘spontaneous’ decision to have a curry when in fact it had been pre-planned and he told us that food was not available at his hotel.
There may be more to come out about Boris, of course, but for now we only know for certain that he has received a fine for receiving a cake between meetings.
Starmer was not between meetings - it was a party after work.
I know who I think is more guilty - at least so far.
Note you never say "multiple adulterer serial liar Johnson*"
*difference being all those are true, rather than being made up by the Daily Mail…
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If Boris resigns or is pushed Labour will be clamouring for a general election (as opposition tends to when leader of ruling party changes) so, in one sense, they don't mind if Keir is fined and resigns and "forces" a change in PM.
I agree with Pierre that the whole things is media fodder, it generates lots of interest and comment but really is inconsequential compared to other matters that all our politicians should be focusing on.
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If Boris resigns or is pushed Labour will be clamouring for a general election (as opposition tends to when leader of ruling party changes) so, in one sense, they don't mind if Keir is fined and resigns and "forces" a change in PM.
I don't think Johnson would be forced into resigning, they'll just accept how it looks.
Labour won't mind because they get a clean slate for the new guy/gal. Starmer has done the hard work in terms of addressing 2019. Corbyn and his allies have been pushed out to the fringes of the party again, the rules have been changed to make it harder for a fringe candidate to win the leadership and a lot of the Momentum lot have left the party.
Starmer has earned enemies internally for this though and still has a bit of baggage from the Corbyn years. Plus although he isn't hated he is pretty bland so it's not a huge loss for them to put another face on the party.
Better that than having a fined Starmer stay in place after he called on Johnson to resign for getting a fine.
Once Starmer is binned will jezza get the labour whip back?
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I wonder what Gove put on his cornflakes before his BBC Breakfast interview?
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I wonder what Gove put on his cornflakes before his BBC Breakfast interview?
That white stuff called sugar.
Hilarious but a distraction - the government did promise an announcement to help with the cost of living in the next few weeks, and seems to be back pedalling.
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