28-05-2022, 12:46
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Re: TV licence fee
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Over 9m people watched Eurovision and over 5m watched the FA Cup Final on BBC1 the same day. I don't think any other broadcaster matched these figures on the night.
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Not a good example. Any channel could have picked those up.
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28-05-2022, 13:32
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Re: TV licence fee
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Not a good example. Any channel could have picked those up.
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But didn’t…
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28-05-2022, 14:55
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Re: TV licence fee
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Such as…? Nothing I want to see or most of us watch.
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Two examples given showing that the BBC does put on programming that most of us watch.
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Not a good example. Any channel could have picked those up.
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Irrelevant. My response to your question was correct. You are moving the goal posts again.
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28-05-2022, 15:00
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Re: TV licence fee
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Irrelevant.
The exam question was does the BBC currently show stuff that people want to see? The answer is that it does and those two programmes are evidence of this.
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How is it irrelevant, the BBC doesn't own those events, they're not their idea or content, literally any broadcaster could show them if they out bid BBC, the fact they didn't just shows how much of our money they have to squander
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28-05-2022, 19:08
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Re: TV licence fee
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Two examples given showing that the BBC does put on programming that most of us watch.
Irrelevant. My response to your question was correct. You are moving the goal posts again.
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I’m beginning to wonder about your reasoning abilities, Andrew. Of course it’s relevant. If other channels are willing to screen these shows, it rather shatters the argument that we must support the BBC with taxpayer’s money.
The question I’m asking you is which programmes does the BBC make that other channels wouldn’t if the BBC ceased to exist?
Songs of Praise is the only one I can come up with.
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29-05-2022, 11:47
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Re: TV licence fee
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How is it irrelevant, the BBC doesn't own those events, they're not their idea or content, literally any broadcaster could show them if they out bid BBC, the fact they didn't just shows how much of our money they have to squander
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Old Boy said the BBC showed "Nothing I want to see or most of us watch."
I provided two programmes that showed they did.
Whether other channels would show these events in the absence of the BBC was not in the question.
Obviously, popular shows like these would be viable for any commercial channel.
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29-05-2022, 12:10
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Re: TV licence fee
The problem with the BBC is that it is a law unto itself, leading to the £159 licence fee. The famous 43p/day for a week is half a chicken to poor families.
Being a law unto itself, a variant of Parkinson's Law has been applied, allowing the BBC to grow and increase its capacity rather than remain within previous boundaries.
Something along the lines that I posted here should be the way forward and better still to be supported by advertising.
EDIT: Thought for a Sunday: In the beginning the lord gave the word and the word was "cash" (not the BBC).
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29-05-2022, 12:15
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Re: TV licence fee
A chicken for 86p??
How is the BBC a "law unto itself", when the Government appoint the Board, set the Licence Fee, are currently conducting a Mid-Term Review (run by the Secretary of State for the DCMS) focussing on the governance and regulatory arrangements for the BBC, and it is regulated by OFCOM and audited by the National Audit Office?
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29-05-2022, 12:37
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Re: TV licence fee
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Old Boy said the BBC showed "Nothing I want to see or most of us watch."
I provided two programmes that showed they did.
Whether other channels would show these events in the absence of the BBC was not in the question.
Obviously, popular shows like these would be viable for any commercial channel.
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I do watch TV shows, Andrew and I’ve never said I don’t. That quote from my post was in answer to Mr K’s when he said:
‘The BBC is a public service broadcaster making programmes and providing services others don't as they don't make money.’
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29-05-2022, 13:18
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Re: TV licence fee
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A chicken for 86p??
How is the BBC a "law unto itself", when the Government appoint the Board, set the Licence Fee, are currently conducting a Mid-Term Review (run by the Secretary of State for the DCMS) focussing on the governance and regulatory arrangements for the BBC, and it is regulated by OFCOM and audited by the National Audit Office?
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Clarified in an edit to my earlier post.
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How is the BBC a "law unto itself", when the Government appoint the Board, set the Licence Fee, are currently conducting a Mid-Term Review (run by the Secretary of State for the DCMS) focussing on the governance and regulatory arrangements for the BBC, and it is regulated by OFCOM and audited by the National Audit Office?
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Realms of, mate. They've gone from two TV channels and 4 radio channels to an explosion of unnecessary channels with commensurate rise in licence fee. Nobody commanded their expansion.
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29-05-2022, 13:22
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Re: TV licence fee
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Old Boy said the BBC showed "Nothing I want to see or most of us watch."
I provided two programmes that showed they did.
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No you never, most of us didn't watch either show and out of a whole years schedule you managed to come up with two 
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30-05-2022, 13:28
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Re: TV licence fee
Over 2.5 million viewers watch Eastenders. Statistica has the BBC having 55 million viewers over a year but dunno how they work it out
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30-05-2022, 13:41
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Re: TV licence fee
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No you never, most of us didn't watch either show and out of a whole years schedule you managed to come up with two |
I just selected the most recent BARB figures, I didn't need to look any further than that to make my point.
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The other markets which saw more than 50% of total TV viewers watch the Grand Final were Armenia, Flemish-speaking Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Greece, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Spain and the UK.
Meanwhile, the UK delivered the largest audience of all markets in 2022 with 8.9 million viewers watching the Grand Final, up 20% on 2021.
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https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2022...s-new-records/
Old Boy has since posed a new question but it's not one I have the answer to as quickly.
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30-05-2022, 15:42
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Re: TV licence fee
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Again 8.9 million people is not most of us, not really sure why you're insisting on contorting yourself round figures that do nothing except prove most people in this country didn't watch either of these shows.
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30-05-2022, 16:12
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Re: TV licence fee
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Again 8.9 million people is not most of us, not really sure why you're insisting on contorting yourself round figures that do nothing except prove most people in this country didn't watch either of these shows.
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The article is pretty clear "The other markets which saw more than 50% of total TV viewers watch the Grand Final were...and the UK."
More than 50% of TV viewers ticks my box for "most of us" but you may well have a broader definition than this, which is your perogative.
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