Brexit (Old)

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

One, two, three, all together now:

“Net Contributor!”

Hooray!

For the hard of thinking: there is no such thing as EU money.

For those in the North East and South West of England there is Chris. It helps fund many projects. If the money comes back to us will we directing it to these areas ? After the wreck Brexit will make of our economy, there'll be nothing but cuts.

You think the the Govt. will pump money into these areas ? Remember the 'Northern Powerhouse' ? I was desperately looking for it out of the window on my the 1970s clapped out, overcrowded, overpriced, late diesel train this morning ! But money for CrossRail and the South East seems to be limitless. Think we know who the Tories will be looking after (themselves mostly). The EU was some protection from them and protection for us.

[jonbxx]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Belgium makes some wonderful brown beers and Germany some lovely wheat beers. Lager's not all bad and the Czech Republic has some great offerings like Budvar and Staropramen. And the craft beer scene in many European countries is thriving with various styles of porters, IPAs, brown ales and lagers on offer.

Oh yes. It's one of my great treats when I visit our Munich office - a nice Hefeweizen beer along with Schweinshaxe (roast pork hock served with sauerkraut and potato dumplings) or maybe currywurst (a British invention funnily enough)

Originally Posted by Mr K

For those in the North East and South West of England there is Chris. It helps fund many projects.

Wrong ... there is no EU money, only British, German, and French money, plus that of a half dozen or so other net contributors. Minus any goodwill payment or reasonable discharge of our obligations, post Brexit that money will remain in British control, for spending directly on British priorities.

If the money comes back to us will we directing it to these areas ?

Well here’s the thing. We can’t vote out the European Commission. We have a minimal influence over the composition of the European Parliament. We can, however, change the composition of our own Parliament and therefore our government every five years. That money will be directed wherever the government we elect decides. If we don’t like that, we know what to do.

After the wreck Brexit will make of our economy, there'll be nothing but cuts.

Mmm. Is this the same ‘nothing but cuts’ as the one we were assured would immediately follow a leave vote?

You think the the Govt. will pump money into these areas ? Remember the 'Northern Powerhouse' ? I was desperately looking for it out of the window on my the 1970s clapped out, overcrowded, overpriced, late diesel train this morning ! But money for CrossRail and the South East seems to be limitless. Think we know who the Tories will be looking after (themselves mostly). The EU was some protection from them and protection for us.

Slightly off topic, but: https://www.tpexpress.co.uk/travelli...he-nova-fleets

They even have the same uber-modern black front end and LED headlights as the new Crossrail trains.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Asahi is the best beer by far.

Spot on. I favour zero tariff on Japanese alcohol. Saki nothad too.

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Originally Posted by jonbxx

Oh yes. It's one of my great treats when I visit our Munich office - a nice Hefeweizen beer along with Schweinshaxe (roast pork hock served with sauerkraut and potato dumplings) or maybe currywurst (a British invention funnily enough)

Genau. Some Sainsburys do the Haxe.

Originally Posted by Mr K

For those in the North East and South West of England there is Chris. It helps fund many projects. If the money comes back to us will we directing it to these areas ? After the wreck Brexit will make of our economy, there'll be nothing but cuts.

Utter bollocks. Same FAKE foresight that you had after the leave vote. That there would job losses, a recession. None of which has occurred. We do not need to be in a corrupted EU to thrive.

Drunken Juncker I’ve read recently, spends £10,000 a month of our money on expenses, probably propping up a bar somewhere the piss head that he is and he recently spent £24,000+ on a one night travel via private jet to Rome.

Yes there will be cuts, the U.K. will be cutting the funding of this wretched old fool and his cronies, once and for good, when it ceases it’s con job, membership fee contributions.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Utter bollocks. Same FAKE foresight that you had after the leave vote. That there would job losses, a recession. None of which has occurred. We do not need to be in a corrupted EU to thrive.

Drunken Juncker I’ve read recently, spends £10,000 a month of our money on expenses, probably propping up a bar somewhere the piss head that he is and he recently spent £24,000+ on a one night travel via private jet to Rome.

Yes there will be cuts, the U.K. will be cutting the funding of this wretched old fool and his cronies, once and for good, when it ceases it’s con job, membership fee contributions.

Brexit hasn't happened yet Mick, as you keep being told, but we've already seen the effects of the weak pound.

Junker - well if we're basing Brexit on one individual then we're being a bit foolish. The EU isn't perfect, but I'd suggest our government is no better. (Boris was also trying to get his own private jet from the tax payer wasn't he ? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...calls-12580411 )

The EU does protect us from our own government sometimes, workers rights, abolition of credit card charges, roaming charges, drug prices. Many protections and safeguards we have now will disappear. People are in for a shock - you don't what you've lost till its gone ......

[Sephiroth]

I thought those protections were being carried over into UK law.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I thought those protections were being carried over into UK law.

Initially yes, but only because that then alliows the Govt. the freedom to get rid of them.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Initially yes, but only because that then alliows the Govt. the freedom to get rid of them.

Doesn’t mean they will get rid of them.

Originally Posted by Mr K

The EU does protect us from our own government sometimes, workers rights, abolition of credit card charges, roaming charges, drug prices. Many protections and safeguards we have now will disappear. People are in for a shock - you don't what you've lost till its gone ......

Originally Posted by Mr K

Initially yes, but only because that then alliows the Govt. the freedom to get rid of them.

Your lack of awareness of political and historical context is shocking, and it leads you to make some pretty absurd assertions.

For starters, many of the safeguards we only have because of Europe, came by that route precisely because we were members of an organisation whose primary aim is regulation of these sorts of market mechanisms. And it is because our own government and civil service has allowed itself to be hollowed out, pleading duplication of effort and subcontracting its sovereignty to a supranational body over which we have limited influence, that many of us voted to leave.

These decisions properly belong to a democratic assembly that is accountable to its electors. And, for the record, that is what the Westminster Parliament is. It is not the sort of corrupt, tinpot regime you paint it to be when you absurdly plead that we need protecting from it. If we need protecting from Parliament, then ultimately we need protecting from ourselves. You may have so dim a view of your fellow citizens, but I do not.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

we were members of an organisation whose primary aim is regulation of these sorts of market mechanisms

And it is exactly this that will be at risk once we leave and find ourselves in the low tax, low regulation, gig economy favoured by the Tories who are currently driving the Hard brexit agenda.

I do not share your faith, or maybe it is naivety, that our Westminster government will add to and uphold the market interventions that have protected the consumer for these years past. The free marketeers are literally rubbing their hands with glee at the prospects that a Hard brexit will bring.

Originally Posted by Chris

You may have so dim a view of your fellow citizens, but I do not.

When/If Mr Corbyn gets the keys to Number 10, I welcome your post applauding the choice of your fellow citizens

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

The EIB also lends a ton of cash to projects already outside the EU. (10% of the total value of current loans, in fact). It is also operationally independent of the European Commission and is looking for a post-Brexit relationship with the UK. Nice try, but no cigar.

I think there's a bit of wishful thinking going on here but I'd love you to be right. Post-Brexit vote, the EIB is actually slashing its funding to the UK and this shows no sign of changing.

New lending to Britain by the European Investment Bank fell almost two-thirds last year as uncertainties over Brexit made applicants wary and the bank imposed extra precautions.
The Luxembourg-based EIB’s new contracts with the UK totalled £1.89bn last year, down from £5.54bn in 2016. Just one-fifth of last year’s total — £377m — came in the nine months after the British government triggered the Article 50 process to leave the EU.

And yes, it does invest in the UK's regions:

Deals signed last year included projects for water in Wales and gas in Northern Ireland, as well as two regional business investment funds.

https://www.ft.com/content/1d08aa82-...2-d7d59aace167

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by ianch99

When/If Mr Corbyn gets the keys to Number 10, I welcome your post applauding the choice of your fellow citizens

When Satan skates to work my friend.

[heero_yuy]

Quote from The Sun:


But it [Chequers Plan] has been unambiguously trashed by Brussels, is loathed by many Remain MPs and most Brexiteers. When Jacob Rees-Mogg met Michel Barnier yesterday, both reportedly agreed it was a dud.

Its chances of approval anywhere look negligible. If Mrs May softens it further for the EU she’s toast. If she hardens it for Brexiteers, it’s even less likely to fly.

Looks like the capitulation plan and May are both about to become toast.

Brexit here we come.

[Sephiroth]

She should have started out on the basis that the EU will say no to everything other than capitulation. I told her that back in October.

I got the usual weasel words back that she will deliver the Brexit we voted for.