Britain outside the EU - Page 22

Sephiroth · 02-02-2021, 21:54

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

They do seem to get about more than the Elf on the Shelf after the parents have had a few dry sherries.

Some real sense at last!

**Paul** · 03-02-2021, 01:37

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Originally Posted by Mr K

These straw men get everywhere on here.

I believe its the default reply when someone cant come up with anything better.

Angua · 03-02-2021, 07:43

Someone on another forum from NI, has highlighted that something as simple as getting a bike delivered from the mainland is proving to be a nightmare. Whilst on the other side, getting potatoes sent to the mainland from NI is also a problem, not helped by requiring fixed transport days (for paperwork), at a time of year when weather can affect this. Old system allowed for flexibility round the weather.

Is this also a straw man?

joglynne · 03-02-2021, 09:43

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Originally Posted by Angua

Someone on another forum from NI, has highlighted that something as simple as getting a bike delivered from the mainland is proving to be a nightmare. Whilst on the other side, getting potatoes sent to the mainland from NI is also a problem, not helped by requiring fixed transport days (for paperwork), at a time of year when weather can affect this. Old system allowed for flexibility round the weather.

Is this also a straw man?

I am not saying that there aren't any problems, in fact from your post I am sure there are, but ...I have just recieved my regular bulky order from a large supplier located in Belfast, NI. Ordered yesterday morning with a 48hr delivery service via Royal Mail which shows that not all trade to and from NI is effected.

Sephiroth · 03-02-2021, 09:46

On this business of the representative status of the EU: Is the EU a state or an international organisation?

Clearly it is an international organisation because it derives its competences from the 27 member states. Simples.

Accordingly, the 27 states have ambassadorial diplomatic missions in the UK. The EU cannot enjoy that status - only that of an international organisation. Simples.

The moment that the UK accords ambassadorial status to the EU is the moment that we recognise the EU as a state - that would be a state without a police force, without an army and without the principal competences associated with a nation state.

So, I'm enjoying the howls of protests coming from that pompous organisation.

tweetiepooh · 03-02-2021, 10:16

I really do sympathise with groups being badly affected by this. As I've said before if you have "live" product you can't just keep on shelf for a while to sort it all out.

We could help by sorting out tax on smaller purchases back to the EU status i.e. pay tax at point of purchase at rate and to country of purchase. It's not like we were collecting the tax anyway unless we looked at the rebate in that way.

1andrew1 · 03-02-2021, 10:26

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Originally Posted by joglynne

I am not saying that there aren't any problems, in fact from your post I am sure there are, but ...I have just recieved my regular bulky order from a large supplier located in Belfast, NI. Ordered yesterday morning with a 48hr delivery service via Royal Mail which shows that not all trade to and from NI is effected.

No one has stated all trade is affected. Quite what is affected, is coming to light day by day.

joglynne · 03-02-2021, 10:45

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

No one has stated all trade is affected. Quite what is affected, is coming to light day by day.

Which is why I posted!!

Angua · 03-02-2021, 12:51

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Originally Posted by joglynne

I am not saying that there aren't any problems, in fact from your post I am sure there are, but ...I have just recieved my regular bulky order from a large supplier located in Belfast, NI. Ordered yesterday morning with a 48hr delivery service via Royal Mail which shows that not all trade to and from NI is effected.

Wonder how the Royal Mail would manage potatoes?

Just a shame it is so complicated to send stuff to NI.

joglynne · 03-02-2021, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Angua

Wonder how the Royal Mail would manage potatoes?

Just a shame it is so complicated to send stuff to NI.

Yup. it would be a tad difficult.

My hope is that with some areas such as the Royal Mail still operating as normal others will get sorted out quickly.

**Hugh** · 03-02-2021, 17:36

This could help wth the cross border issues, giving people and businesses time to adapt.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKBN2A312V

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LONDON (Reuters) - Britain has asked for an extension until 2023 of a grace period on checks that would be conducted on trade moving between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom to soften the Brexit impact on the province, the BBC reported.

Political editor Laura Kuenssberg said Cabinet Office Secretary Michael Gove had written to the European Commission’s vice president, Maros Sefcovic, to ask for urgent political solutions.

pip08456 · 03-02-2021, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh

This could help wth the cross border issues, giving people and businesses time to adapt.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKBN2A312V

That's a bit behind the times as there is more happening.

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A video conference is taking place between the UK government and the European Commission, with the First and Deputy First Ministers of Northern Ireland also in attendance.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/...194705-brexit/

**Hugh** · 03-02-2021, 19:40

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Originally Posted by pip08456

That's a bit behind the times as there is more happening.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2021/...194705-brexit/

Useful to know - thanks for the update.

1andrew1 · 03-02-2021, 20:09

Meeting just finished. No conclusions on the requested teo-year extension yet.

Sephiroth · 04-02-2021, 10:45

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ster-brussels/

For paywall users, the above referenced article by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has it in a nutshell. I'll quote that jewel, itself a statement made by Daniel Stelter, Germany’s corporate guru:

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By failing to procure vaccines, the EU has validated Brexit and given all EU citizens an objective reason for euroscepticism,”

Ambrose-Evans also points out that the vaccine procurement was a power -grab by Brussels, as is the 750 billion recovery fund.

He also points out that Brussels is only interested in power. He exemplifies this through the Brexit negotiations (power not trade), through the vaccine negotiations (which, he says, were price led not solution driven). He underlines deep German suspicion over how VDL would use the recovery fund and how close it would bring the EU to fiscal union, which Germany would have to bankroll.

Boy are we right to be forging our own destiny.

Btw, James O'Brian on LBC today is knocking the Guymin for going "cap in hand" to the EU to ease the NI situation. He doesn't emphasise that the UK have the threat ready of invoking its own Article 16 measures. Indeed we should in order to test the resolution mechanism.