The state benefits system mega-thread.
02-10-2016, 14:39
|
#1846
|
cf.mega poster
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 10,052
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
We'll have to wait and see if May will be any better than Cameron with regards to the treatment of our most vulnerable in society.
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 14:24
|
#1847
|
as common as muck
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Dirty Old Town
Posts: 3,515
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
I wonder which of the chronic illnesses are going to be classed as not being chronic enough?
__________________
I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens. -Woody Allen
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 14:31
|
#1848
|
Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire
Age: 45
Posts: 13,996
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone
Oh what glorious generalising stereotyping....
|
Just parroting the Express.
---------- Post added at 14:31 ---------- Previous post was at 14:29 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy-J
I wonder which of the chronic illnesses are going to be classed as not being chronic enough?
|
It's a tricky one. Clearly previous governments of all flavours have shovelled people onto the sick to fudge the statistics. Look at the proportion of those on the sick here compared with Germany or France and it's clear that our numbers are ridiculous. That said it's also equally clear that baby has gone out with bath water in some cases.
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 14:42
|
#1849
|
Perfect Soldier
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Worthing West Sussex
Age: 66
Services: VM 500M SH3 thingy
in modem mode
XL TV V6 Sony Bravia smart TV and M phone
Posts: 10,994
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
We should also bear in mind that the medical term "chronic" actually means long standing but not necessarilly severe. IIRC the term "acute" is use for severity.
For example a friend of mine has chronic eczema since childhood but holds down a full time job with only occasional absences.
__________________
History is much like an endless waltz: The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.
However history will change with my coronation - Mariemaia Khushrenada
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 15:54
|
#1850
|
cf.mega poster
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Kairdiff-by-the-sea
Age: 68
Services: TVXL BBXL Superhub 2ac (wired) 1Tb Tivo
Posts: 9,808
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
We'll have to wait and see if May will be any better than Cameron with regards to the treatment of our most vulnerable in society.
|
I think it depends on how much Iain Duncan Smith is involved.
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 16:01
|
#1851
|
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 36,918
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
IDS is a backbencher and not involved at all as things stand. But he has welcomed the move away from re-assessment of permanent disability and has said its a reform he wanted to make while in office. It is now fairly well understood that Osborne's hand weighed heavily at the DWP and IDS was often (unfairly, IMO) demonised for harsh policies that weren't actually his.
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 16:05
|
#1852
|
Inactive
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Right here!
Posts: 22,316
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
I fear that Osem won't be happy, he supports the repeated testing of everybody, even those with severe, lifelong and incurable learning difficulties!
|
Yes of course I do. I especially want my own son, who's in that category, to suffer that indignity because he hasn't got enough to deal with already.
You always were one to just make stuff up weren't you. Pathetic.
Last edited by Osem; 03-10-2016 at 16:27.
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 16:10
|
#1853
|
Still alive and fighting
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In the land of beyond and beyond.
Services: XL BB, 3 360 boxes , XL TV.
Posts: 56,308
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
IDS is a backbencher and not involved at all as things stand. But he has welcomed the move away from re-assessment of permanent disability and has said its a reform he wanted to make while in office. It is now fairly well understood that Osborne's hand weighed heavily at the DWP and IDS was often (unfairly, IMO) demonised for harsh policies that weren't actually his.
|
Indeed as you say he was often the fall guy and sooner rather then later he quite clearly said l have had enough of this and resigned honourably from his office..
__________________
“The only lesson you can learn from history is that it repeats itself”
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 17:41
|
#1854
|
laeva recumbens anguis
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 67
Services: Premiere Collection
Posts: 42,095
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
Excellent news for both our most vulnerable in society and the taxpayer.
All these benefit cuts have caused untold misery to the sick & disabled, yet cost more in administration than what they save.
I fear that Osem won't be happy, he supports the repeated testing of everybody, even those with severe, lifelong and incurable learning difficulties!
|
Mod comment - Richard, if you are going accuse someone of something heinous, please provide links/evidence - otherwise, you're just being offensive.
And being offensive can lead to infractions being incurred.
__________________
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.
If my post is in bold and this colour, it's a Moderator Request.
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 17:57
|
#1855
|
Sad Doig Fan!
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Barry South Wales
Age: 68
Services: With VM for BB 250Mb service.(Deal)
Posts: 11,654
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
I do not and have never advocated that people should be routinely sterilised simply because of illness or disability.
Don't you ever say this again, you piece of work.
|
Then it must have been your alter ego that made this post then.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
As it stands, anyone can have children regardless of their abilities and I don't think that this is a good thing.
At the moment we have children (in mind or in body) giving birth to children. Often, they expect others to pay for them whilst having scant regard to raising them properly through ignorance or otherwise.
Yet, those who wish to adopt have to (quite rightly) pass various checks before they are able to do so.
I don't think that it is a person's right to have children (it's a privilege) and, in the most extreme cases, would support mandatory sterilisation of some males and females.
|
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 20:34
|
#1856
|
Trollsplatter
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North of Watford
Services: Humane elimination of all common Internet pests
Posts: 36,918
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
Reproduction is a basic biological function.
You might as well say breathing is a privilege.
|
|
|
03-10-2016, 21:11
|
#1857
|
The Dark Satanic Mills
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: floating in the ether
Posts: 12,032
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
Reproduction is a basic biological function.
You might as well say breathing is a privilege.
|
It's even more base than that.
The human body, as with all life, is nothing but a vehicle that is used by our DNA to replicate itself.
If a coke can was the perfect vehicle in which DNA could replicate itself it would be a viable species on this planet.
__________________
The wheel's still turning but the hamsters dead.
|
|
|
04-10-2016, 08:49
|
#1858
|
Perfect Soldier
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Worthing West Sussex
Age: 66
Services: VM 500M SH3 thingy
in modem mode
XL TV V6 Sony Bravia smart TV and M phone
Posts: 10,994
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
Reproduction is a basic biological function.
|
But not all animals get to reproduce: Take the African wild dog, they roam in groups but only the Alpha male and Alpha female get to breed, the rest of the pack help raise those pups in preference to their own possible offspring.
This happens in many species that form packs or troups. There are also examples in other species where only the privileged Alpha (strongest, cleverest etc) members get to breed despite all members being fertile.
It's what strengthens the breed and weeds out the weak and unhealthy.
__________________
History is much like an endless waltz: The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.
However history will change with my coronation - Mariemaia Khushrenada
|
|
|
04-10-2016, 09:10
|
#1859
|
Remoaner
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 32,219
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
This thread has taken a bit of a tangent..
|
|
|
04-10-2016, 19:34
|
#1860
|
Guest
|
Re: The state benefits system mega-thread. Many merged.
There is no doubt osbourne had far more to do with the dwp then he was qualified too but his ideological belief was paramount to him and reality was that troublesome thing to be ignored. He and cameron were very close ideologically and over time I'm sure there will be leaks and declassifications that will show how much distance existed between those two and their cabinet colleagues. Good thing they are both gone imo and conservatism can get back to it's more traditional values then just the friendly facade and backstabbing of the cameron era.
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 00:23.
|