The state benefits system mega-thread.

[weenie]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Well if the workers are hungry. then the poor have no chance [COLOR="Silver"]

Exactly right, they have no chance at all, people running the food banks have noticed a rise in people's needs since the bedroom tax, and the benefits cuts by ATOS declaring people fit for work when in many cases they clearly are not... What a system we have when parents skip meals so their children don’t go hungry, something needs to be done as in this day and age this should not be happening, I personally think this is a disgrace for this to be happening in 2014 in the UK ...

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by weenie

Exactly right, they have no chance at all, people running the food banks have noticed a rise in people's needs since the bedroom tax, and the benefits cuts by ATOS declaring people fit for work when in many cases they clearly are not... What a system we have when parents skip meals so their children don’t go hungry, something needs to be done as in this day and age this should not be happening, I personally think this is a disgrace for this to be happening in 2014 in the UK ...

My sister works as a catering assistant (glorified dinner lady)
and she sees kids who have been sent to school with nothing to eat.
kids who are refused dinner because their parents haven't paid.

she gives them food to eat. when she first done it she was told off. but she said she's not going to see a child go hungry. and especially when the food gets thrown away or is taken home by the other assistants. including herself. so she does it regardless.

and the best thing is that a lot of these kids parents have money.
obviously it goes on where the parents don't have money too.

[weenie]

Thank God for kind hearted people like your sister, I know my son has forgotten/lost his dinner money and the dinner ladies just feed him and send a slip in his bag to let me know what has happened, I know they no longer give extra's at my son's school as he looked at me quite shocked when asked him if he ever went up for extra's, he had no idea what I was talking about. I explained to him I used to up for extra's as when I was at primary school in the 70s the dinner ladies always gave out the food that was left so no waste...

[Kabaal]

ATOS are trying to get out of their contract early http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...m-atos-3168142

[weenie]

Originally Posted by Kabaal

ATOS are trying to get out of their contract early http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...m-atos-3168142

Good riddance to bad rubbish ...

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Kabaal

ATOS are trying to get out of their contract early http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...m-atos-3168142

That's is excellent news, but nothing will change unless they change the tests and examination procedures. Until they give the power to the GP, Consultants etc the ones that are qualified to give a fair judgment then nothing will change even as and when the next company gets the contract.

Originally Posted by peanut

That's is excellent news, but nothing will change unless they change the tests and examination procedures. Until they give the power to the GP, Consultants etc the ones that are qualified to give a fair judgment then nothing will change even as and when the next company gets the contract.

Aren't they the worst people to have that kind of power ? .If i had listened to my specialist last year i would still be on the sick instead of earning a good living

[peanut]

Originally Posted by martyh

Aren't they the worst people to have that kind of power ? .If i had listened to my specialist last year i would still be on the sick instead of earning a good living

It depends. Take for example Crohn's disease, it is different for everyone but if you read the guidelines set for the DWP they don't have a clue, it makes it out like nothing more than a mild tummy upset. What chance do certain illness have when it's like that. My GP and consultant know the extent of my illnesses and what it also entails, I'm sure they would and I would welcome them to be able to decide on my behalf.

If it was for a bad back and solely based on a GP's say so then I'd agree with you.

Also what has being able to pick up a coin, or reach your top pocket got to do with Crohn's disease? On the surface most wouldn't even 'look' ill, it's all wrong.

In terms of longterm recognised problems no they are exactly who should have the say and the one's I deal with have a relatively quick turnaround I'd have been discharged by now but as my condition is progressive I'm kept on bi yearly appointments with priority if anything gets worse. At least my specialist knows about my condition although I did get a medical doctor at my assessment half the time was taken up by me explaining to her what the condition was. I was lucky to get that doctor a month later she was gone .

I cannot defend or agree with people making death threats against atos employee's that's never acceptable under any circumstances. Problem is we will get rid of atos but the problem will stay the same with whoever takes over as long as the DWP deny setting targets but making these assessment company's abide by targets the problem will never go away.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Aren't they the worst people to have that kind of power ? .If i had listened to my specialist last year i would still be on the sick instead of earning a good living

I quote a Tracy Roberts.

flawed from start to end. A disabled person in a wheelchair with limited use of hands also told they are not disabled because they can get a taxi from their house to a destination ........... yet they take no notice at all of the fact when at the destination they can do nothing besides sit in their wheelchair and hope a random stranger will push them . or even because they can put a microwave meal in a microwave that's cooking for themselves even though then they have no way of getting it out and taking it to a table to eat !!! Who's to blame ??? Atos or the government ............ sorry but BOTH

Now you're going to say "I don't mean them kind of people"

But you do.
so does Atos.
so does Dave.

[weenie]

[QUOTE=peanut;35674487]It depends. Take for example Crohn's disease, it is different for everyone but if you read the guidelines set for the DWP they don't have a clue, it makes it out like nothing more than a mild tummy upset. What chance do certain illness have when it's like that.

Sadly very little Peanut, and that is why with complicated illnesses like Crohn's it should go on your specialists/doctor's advice notes as it is them who deal with you and as you know all to well crohns is an illness that cannot be faked as you go through to many tests mri scans,scopes etc Crohns is a very complicated illness that not only affects the bowel, it can lead to inflamation of the joints,eye problems and many other nasties that crohns's patients have to cope with on a daily basis CROHNS is one nasty illness and for many remission from Crohns does not last long, unfortunately there is no cure for Crohns but hopefully one day there will be sooner rather than later ...

[Pierre]

All that happens on here, is that people quote the extremes to try and prove a point.

Nobody, in their right mind would say anyone in wheelchair does not need assistance, but it assessing that need.

There may be people out there in wheelchairs that earn a good salary.

Just because you're disabled does not exclude you from having career or earning a good living, to think that is actually quite patronising.

You might have someone in a wheel chair quite capable, able, willing and eager to work. That doesn't need any benefit or aid.

Or you may have someone with all limbs intact, that has arthritis, and has good days and bad days. Sometimes can get around, sometimes can't get out the house.

None, of the above doesn't mean that trying to ascertain the need out there and only pay for those that require it, is some kind of evil thing.

Get real, if you think you qualify to receive benefit, for any reason, Then expect to be assessed as to whether you need it.

Now stop whinging.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Pierre

All that happens on here, is that people quote the extremes to try and prove a point.

Nobody, in their right mind would say anyone in wheelchair does not need assistance, but it assessing that need.

There may be people out there in wheelchairs that earn a good salary.

Just because you're disabled does not exclude you from having career or earning a good living, to think that is actually quite patronising.

You might have someone in a wheel chair quite capable, able, willing and eager to work. That doesn't need any benefit or aid.

Or you may have someone with all limbs intact, that has arthritis, and has good days and bad days. Sometimes can get around, sometimes can't get out the house.

None, of the above doesn't mean that trying to ascertain the need out there and only pay for those that require it, is some kind of evil thing.

Get real, if you think you qualify to receive benefit, for any reason, Then expect to be assessed as to whether you need it.

No stop whinging.

I totally agree. I'd easily give up both legs and be in a wheelchair compared to the way I am now (Yes seriously). As long as it's pain free I'd be able to live around it.

But that's not the point though is it. People don't understand the differences between being disabled and being ill/sick though you can easily be both obviously.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Get real, if you think you qualify to receive benefit, for any reason, Then expect to be assessed as to whether you need it.

And good luck. you'll need it.

Originally Posted by Pierre

All that happens on here, is that people quote the extremes to try and prove a point.

Nobody, in their right mind would say anyone in wheelchair does not need assistance, but it assessing that need.

There may be people out there in wheelchairs that earn a good salary.

Just because you're disabled does not exclude you from having career or earning a good living, to think that is actually quite patronising.

You might have someone in a wheel chair quite capable, able, willing and eager to work. That doesn't need any benefit or aid.

Or you may have someone with all limbs intact, that has arthritis, and has good days and bad days. Sometimes can get around, sometimes can't get out the house.

None, of the above doesn't mean that trying to ascertain the need out there and only pay for those that require it, is some kind of evil thing.

Get real, if you think you qualify to receive benefit, for any reason, Then expect to be assessed as to whether you need it.

Now stop whinging.

This ^^