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Old 07-01-2014, 16:33   #766
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I left school in the 70's, me and a few mates, who left at the same time, all got a job at the same place. After so long I got bored and started another job right away, I got bored several times until I was finally happy with the job I found. There seemed to be loads of jobs for the taking back then, it was great.

I wouldn't like to be a school leaver now, or anyone who's out of work for that matter. It must be so difficult to cope, especially when almost every bit of news in the media is about job cuts, benefit cuts, benefit scroungers, immigrants, mass immigration, immigration, immigration and even more immigration... it has to be the most talked about subject out there.

I can only see it getting worse, there will be rioting on the streets, people will have had enough, they will have nothing to lose, no job, no money and no hope. At least in prison it's warm, you get fed, fit and educated.

I'd say the government / powers that be, know exactly what they're doing, it's as if this is what they want, they want to destroy the country.

If you're going to vote in the future, then my advice is to spoil it by voting for none of the above. I honestly find it ridiculous that there are still hundreds of thousands of people out there that will vote for the same dishonest, corrupt parties. They are laughing at us! Even UKIP, they'll all stab you in the back, and I guarantee you that whoever you vote in, you'll be calling for them to resign within a year, and all they will do is point the finger and blame the previous lot of scoundrels... Oh yeah, and the poor, working class and the disabled will carry on paying the price.

Things need to change, but I can only see a change for the better happening by the situation getting worse, ie even more suffering.
Some very good points raised there, but I'm of the opinion that if you don't vote you can't really complain about things.
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Old 07-01-2014, 16:55   #767
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Some very good points raised there, but I'm of the opinion that if you don't vote you can't really complain about things.
I beg to differ, people who don't vote or spoil their vote have every right to complain.
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rather than give them the benefit of the doubt I'm all in favour of lumping then in together until legality is proven.
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Some very good points raised there, but I'm of the opinion that if you don't vote you can't really complain about things.
The reason I don't vote is my complaint - I don't trust any of them to do a good job. Clean up politics and then I'll consider it. Which means I'll likely go to the grave never having voted for decades.
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Guilty till proven innocent? Best lock me up then
And everyone else who's self employed. Arranging your tax affairs to make the most efficient use of tax allowances and rules is what you pay an accountant for. I'm still waiting for one of our resident Tory-haters to tell us where exactly they think the line is, between legal tax avoidance that they approve of, and legal tax avoidance they disapprove of.
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Old 07-01-2014, 18:05   #771
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I personally prefer to just blanket not trust the government. It works for me as far as I am concerned they are all lying cheating self serving slime and I am not a sheep

I also think the same of Labour and Liberals and even UKIP even though I am a member I just want out of the EU
you do seem to bleat a lot, though.....
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you do seem to bleat a lot, though.....
so much I would like to say but I would not get away with what you do

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And everyone else who's self employed. Arranging your tax affairs to make the most efficient use of tax allowances and rules is what you pay an accountant for. I'm still waiting for one of our resident Tory-haters to tell us where exactly they think the line is, between legal tax avoidance that they approve of, and legal tax avoidance they disapprove of.
corporate tax avoidance when it costs the country millions and anyone who uses deception to save tax like coffee beans in a Scandinavian country for example . Those who declare everything fairly are fine imo

This from a pretty much all political party hater
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Am hearing this "if you don't vote you don't have the right to complain" a lot and hearing it more as we get near an election but as Russ says what other way do we really have to protest our discontent with the current system. Some say spoil your paper, why yes they count the number of spoilt votes but take zero notice of it but low voter turn out gets politicians talking about it everwhere. Trouble is the reality is we have a current political class which doesn't care one bit about the electorate they are simply a means to get power thatcan be ignored once poower is achieved.

I've voted all my adult life and all that time i've been a consevative voter but i cannot vote for this bunch in the party right now and will not vote labour either what else can i do but not vote.
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corporate tax avoidance when it costs the country millions and anyone who uses deception to save tax like coffee beans in a Scandinavian country for example . Those who declare everything fairly are fine imo

This from a pretty much all political party hater
Dude, you just called everyone who disagrees with your viewpoint sheep - what is it exactly you don't get away with?

Passive/aggressive much?
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Dude, you just called everyone who disagrees with your viewpoint sheep - what is it exactly you don't get away with?

Passive/aggressive much?
did I say I was referring to you saying I bleat? no you didn't perhaps I mean't something else? hmmmm

Oh and to be pedantic I said I am not a sheep I did not actually call anyone anything
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did I say I was referring to you saying I bleat? no you didn't perhaps I mean't something else? hmmmm

Oh and to be pedantic I said I am not a sheep I did not actually call anyone anything
Yes you did ,you intimated that all those who think differently to you i.e trust official figures are sheep
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Why the 'mock Scottish'? (especially as you are English).
To speak that way can indeed result from living among those who speak that way. To write that way ... well, that's usually just an affectation beloved of cybernats.

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Yes you did ,you intimated that all those who think differently to you i.e trust official figures are sheep
my intimation is purely seen by your perception
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my intimation is purely seen by your perception
it's nothing to do with my perception it's the meaning of what you wrote .

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I personally prefer to just blanket not trust the government. It works for me as far as I am concerned they are all lying cheating self serving slime and I am not a sheep
"and I am not a sheep" This means that anyone who believes or uses official figures ARE sheep ,do you get it now
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An ISA is not an 'aggressive tax avoidance scheme'. And 'aggressive tax avoidance scheme' is not a phrase used in the graphic posted above.

The word used in the graphic is 'avoidance'. 'Avoidance' is a very broad spectrum which, at one end, has common practice such as ISA use.

So, I pose the questions again: do you think the person that compiled the graphic has been in any way discerning about what figures to include? Are all avoidance measures included? If not, where was the line drawn? What criteria did the person compiling the graphic use to determine which (legal) tax avoidance measures to include alongside (illegal) tax evasion and which to leave out?
Pose the question again to whom? The post I replied to was one where you attempted to say that avoidance was legal when often it isn't and how I think measures should be in place that require them to prove dubious practise legal before it's used rather than wait sometimes years for judgement to be reached and negotiate their bill down.

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Guilty till proven innocent? Best lock me up then
What for, how many times have your accounting practices been found to be illegal and besides when has any of these shysters ever been locked up, perhaps if we started that it might put paid to some of the worst practices
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