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Carth · 10-12-2020, 10:35

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Context is everything here.

I'll agree with that, however deaths for any reason 28 days after a positive test seems a fudge of Covid statistics to me.

BenMcr · 10-12-2020, 11:40

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-safety-rules

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British holidaymakers will be barred from the European Union from 1 January under current Covid-19 safety restrictions, with the EU commission indicating there will be no exemption for the UK.

Only a handful of countries with low coronavirus rates are exempt from rules that prohibit nonessential visitors from outside the EU and European Economic Area (EEA) – with the UK included only until the end of the Brexit transition period.

Mr K · 10-12-2020, 12:37

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-safety-rules

Will Morecambe be the new Ibiza?

Carth · 10-12-2020, 13:01

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...d-safety-rules

British holidaymakers will be barred from the European Union from 1 January under current Covid-19 safety restrictions, with the EU commission indicating there will be no exemption for the UK.

Only a handful of countries with low coronavirus rates are exempt from rules that prohibit nonessential visitors from outside the EU and European Economic Area (EEA) – with the UK included only until the end of the Brexit transition period.

No problem . . . obviously to keep the virus from spreading there will be no travel to the UK from any EU country either . . oh hang on, that won't go down well

**Hugh** · 10-12-2020, 14:24

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Originally Posted by Carth

I'll agree with that, however deaths for any reason 28 days after a positive test seems a fudge of Covid statistics to me.

This may provide some clarity.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publica...eaths-covid-19

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Validity of cause of death: the GOV.UK data measures deaths following a positive test for Covid-19, but some of these deaths could be due to a different cause, whatever the interval from testing to death used for measuring them. The ONS data is derived from death certificates, and includes only deaths where the doctor believed Covid-19 caused or contributed to the death, making cause of death as involving Covid-19 more reliable.

**Paul** · 10-12-2020, 22:40

As I think I have previously pointed out somewhere in this topic, the governmant site shows both.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

1andrew1 · 10-12-2020, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Carth

No problem . . . obviously to keep the virus from spreading there will be no travel to the UK from any EU country either . . oh hang on, that won't go down well

They lose one country to visit and we lose 27.

Not that anyones doing much travel at tbe moment

jonbxx · 11-12-2020, 13:02

This is a really good article - Immunology Is Where Intuition Goes to Die as a laymans guide to how our immune system reacts to ARS-Cov2 infections.

Basically, immunology is really really complicated!

jfman · 11-12-2020, 15:31

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55270942

Why have one state media apparatus talk up your vaccine when you can have two?

Pierre · 11-12-2020, 18:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Context is everything here.

My understanding is Pierre is sceptical of the benefits of lockdown. We're all entitled to our opinions as long as we can back them up with evidence.

With death rates apparently rising since the end of lockdown, it could be perceived that Pierre is criticising Mr K's imperfect phrasing of deaths because that evidence contradicts his opinion.

I hope that the deaths reported today reduce down substantially and Pierre is right.

Er, no, I was just correcting the statement. Otherwise people may have incorrectly thought that 500 had died in one, when the daily death tolls have never reached that figure. It might unnecessarily frighten some poeople!

jfman · 11-12-2020, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Er, no, I was just correcting the statement. Otherwise people may have incorrectly thought that 500 had died in one, when the daily death tolls have never reached that figure. It might unnecessarily frighten some poeople!

Because the 470 or so it’s reached a few times (by date of death) is much more comforting?

**Paul** · 11-12-2020, 18:37

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Originally Posted by jfman

Because the 470 or so it’s reached a few times (by date of death) is much more comforting?

Yes.

nomadking · 11-12-2020, 18:50

I'm wondering what will happen in 21 days time. Will there be enough supply for both groups of people, those having their 2nd jab, and those having their 1st.

**Paul** · 11-12-2020, 18:53

Well you would hope they planned for that.

nomadking · 11-12-2020, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Paul

Well you would hope they planned for that.

It needs specialist storage and transportation. Everything connected with it will have to increase dramatically, unless they already have a surplus or planned increase in capacity. The temptation will be "we have x doses, let's plan to inject X people".
Even the AstraZeneca vaccine requires 2 doses, 28 days apart.

Looking at the BMA advice to GPs, there's no specific mention of this planning matter.