Brexit (Old)

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And replace her with someone more right wing and further away from the electorate? They are bonkers so guess you're right !

Now think of someone who is a great polarising figure in this country and in his own party and you won't go far wrong.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Very good point Hugh. She's doing an excellent job of not delivering what the majority (including herself) didn't vote for. The Brexiteers just crumble under her gaze, who wouldn't

Plus she is also good at dancing ... err .. hang on ..

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

As far as l am concerned the referendum result should be respected but protesting is one of the freedoms of democracy whether one likes it or not.

Both protests and voting are part of democracy, without a doubt.

However, we have to be clear that protest should never be allowed to overturn the will of the electorate as determined in a vote, be it an election or a referendum.

If the reverse was the case, Arthur Scargill would have been PM in the1970s.

[Mr K]

Saturday 20th October .
Peoples Vote Rally 700,000
Nigel Farages 'Save Brexit' rally 1,200

[ianch99]

The true face of UKIP:

Never seen so many UKIP members attend a meeting in Strasbourg before...the subject? ....Members entitlements after Brexit!!!

(sorry about the image size )

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I don't think Brexiteers should be allowed to get rid of Theresa May.

They had a vote on the 11th July 2016 and they shouldn't be allowed to change their minds.

The electorate is not allowed to change its mind. But Brexiiters like BoJo and David Davis who signed off and then reneged on the Irish backstop agreement are.
One rule for the elite, another rule for the man in the street.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The truth of the matter is that most leavers didn't actually analyse the method of leaving.



Thank you, finally. My point exactly ...

Well, no. You are saying, surely, that we should have a vote on the method of leaving, presumably because you would say that people didn't appreciate the complexity of the process.

I am saying that people were asked whether we should remain or leave, and the people voted to leave. They were not concerned with how we would leave, just that we should leave. I think most of us assumed that bit would be handled by the politicians.

If you voted for Corbyn because he wanted to nationalise the railways, would you then go on to expect that the public would have a say on how the railways would be nationalised? Whether the private sector would be allowed to bid against the public sector, whether the whole industry should go into public hands, whether current standards should be maintained, etc? Of course not. You would have voted for nationalisation and it would be up to the Government how it implemented it.

Given the way Brexit was proposed, surely you cannot believe that those who voted out wanted a half way house, any more than the remainers did. They voted out, which means out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union.

Interesting that Corbyn has already conceded that he would stay in the customs union, contrary to what people voted for, and that he appears not to understand that this would mean we could not forge our own trade deals, which the people did vote for.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Saturday 20th October .
Peoples Vote Rally 700,000
Nigel Farages 'Save Brexit' rally 1,200

Not all leavers are fans of Nigel, old bean.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Both protests and voting are part of democracy, without a doubt.

However, we have to be clear that protest should never be allowed to overturn the will of the electorate as determined in a vote, be it an election or a referendum.

If the reverse was the case, Arthur Scargill would have been PM in the1970s.

Which l have stated unequivocally but that does not mean people should keep quiet on Brexit even though some might want people to..

Originally Posted by Mr K

Saturday 20th October .
Peoples Vote Rally 700,000
Nigel Farages 'Save Brexit' rally 1,200

People who voted for Brexit: 17.4 Million.

Come back when you can Trump that.

Normal people who don’t abuse Democracy, don’t need to attend en masse, they attend the ballot box instead and that is what they did, twice, in 2016 and 2017.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And replace her with someone more right wing and further away from the electorate? They are bonkers so guess you're right !

Well, maybe some of you who are criticising Theresa May for doing her best in the public interest should think on.

Originally Posted by ianch99

The true face of UKIP:

Never seen so many UKIP members attend a meeting in Strasbourg before...the subject? ....Members entitlements after Brexit!!!

Surely in the spirit of the no deal they're advocating UKIP can suggest UK MEPs forgo their benefits? After all part of the deal is how the UK winds down it's obligations one of which is the pensions and entitlements of it's former members.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Well, no. You are saying, surely, that we should have a vote on the method of leaving, presumably because you would say that people didn't appreciate the complexity of the process.

I am saying that people were asked whether we should remain or leave, and the people voted to leave. They were not concerned with how we would leave, just that we should leave. I think most of us assumed that bit would be handled by the politicians.

If you voted for Corbyn because he wanted to nationalise the railways, would you then go on to expect that the public would have a say on how the railways would be nationalised? Whether the private sector would be allowed to bid against the public sector, whether the whole industry should go into public hands, whether current standards should be maintained, etc? Of course not. You would have voted for nationalisation and it would be up to the Government how it implemented it.

Given the way Brexit was proposed, surely you cannot believe that those who voted out wanted a half way house, any more than the remainers did. They voted out, which means out of the EU, out of the single market and out of the customs union.

Interesting that Corbyn has already conceded that he would stay in the customs union, contrary to what people voted for, and that he appears not to understand that this would mean we could not forge our own trade deals, which the people did vote for.

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Not all leavers are fans of Nigel, old bean.

Interesting that the EU are now offering a Customs Union, rather than the Customs Union. Enough for the Brexiteers to save face, and keep TMs promise of not being in the Customs Union ? .

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by denphone

Which l have stated.

Sorry, must have missed that, Den!

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Interesting that the EU are now offering a Customs Union, rather than the Customs Union. Enough for the Brexiteers to save face, and keep TMs promise of not being in the Customs Union ? .

When is a customs union not a customs union?

Originally Posted by Angua

Then 29 million did not vote positively leave either.

Then again nothing, that is irrelevant and one sided BS, because they didn’t vote Remain either which you disingenuously missed out.

Cannot bring in to argument people ineligible or couldn’t be arsed to vote.

[papa smurf]

[QUOTE=ianch99;35967754]The true face of UKIP:

Never seen so many UKIP members attend a meeting in Strasbourg before...the subject? ....Members entitlements after Brexit!!!

(sorry about the image size )



What's up is it bigger than your pension?