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Old 04-04-2020, 14:14   #16
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Boris - undemocratic?

Never!!!

Boris's actions were unlawful, not illegal...
That won't stop Boris wiping the floor with Starmer.

On your point about Boris, at least he tried to break the parliamentary deadlock (itself undemocratic in the context of the Referendum mandate) by a means he was advised would be lawful.

Btw, Starmer's message on the stump was distinctly left wing and I'd be surprised if he now stands by that.
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Old 04-04-2020, 15:10   #17
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Bumbling stumbling stammering/stuttering Boris vs a Queen’s Counsel - I’m sure you’re right...
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

The next PMQ will be a interesting watch.
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The next PMQ will be a interesting watch.
... if only to see Diane Abbot's face!
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Regardless of his upbringing, he is a QC and a knight of the realm, who is also closely associated with Parliament’s perceived obstruction of Brexit throughout 2019. He will be a very tough sell on the doorsteps of northern England at the next election.
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

You may well be right but the mood of politics can change a lot in 5 years don't you agree.
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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That won't stop Boris wiping the floor with Starmer.
Given his current infection, I hope Johnson does more than wipe for the floor with Sir Keir but instead commissions a deep clean of it!

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You may well be right but the mood of politics can change a lot in 5 years don't you agree.
Totally agree. The Conservatives' electoral success rests on how well they manage the current situation and not on Brexit. So far it seems ticks for commissioning the Nightingale hospitals and funding companies and the laid off and crosses for lack of PPE and sizeable testing.
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You may well be right but the mood of politics can change a lot in 5 years don't you agree.
Read something the other day that put this into perspective:

We are still within the “5 year term” of David Cameron’s 2015 Government.
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

To me the liebour party died when they decided to block Brexit.


As stated I'll never vote for them again.

I'm also backing Boris 100%.


Whatever he does, or doesn't do he's going to get the blame.
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Read something the other day that put this into perspective:

We are still within the “5 year term” of David Cameron’s 2015 Government.
And extraordinary times they have been ... yet we still have a Tory government and one with a bigger majority than Cameron had in 2015.

In fact, things really don’t tend to change dramatically. Even the 1997 Labour landslide occurred after 18 years of Tory government, and Tony Blair’s major success was putting a fresh face on continuity. The Tories looked worn out, and out of ideas. Blair looked young and energetic but none of his new ideas actually changed very much; not in the first term anyway.

British electoral history since WW2 suggests a majority the size Boris has now can be reduced by an effective Labour campaign in 2024 but Starmer has next to no chance of actually winning it.
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His mum was a nurse and his dad a toolmaker - not exactly born with a silver spoon in his mouth...
Indeed, he is not a posh bloke, he has got where he is on merit.

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Bumbling stumbling stammering/stuttering Boris vs a Queen’s Counsel - I’m sure you’re right...
Well to be fair, during Brexit, QC or not - he was pretty incoherent.
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Regardless of his upbringing, he is a QC and a knight of the realm, who is also closely associated with Parliament’s perceived obstruction of Brexit throughout 2019. He will be a very tough sell on the doorsteps of northern England at the next election.
It's it's Keir v Boris it will be an easy sell.
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It's it's Keir v Boris it will be an easy sell.
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Read something the other day that put this into perspective:

We are still within the “5 year term” of David Cameron’s 2015 Government.
Good one.
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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Sad times in CCHQ with their multiple election-winner stepping down in favour of Sir Keir.
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