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Old 15-05-2022, 07:43   #166
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Re: Season 2021/22

Sheff Utd came down last year and I don't think it's too long since Hudds stopped receiving parachute payments from their time in the PL. Fulham also seem to swap between going up and down (like Norwich and Watford) and I think Bournemouth are still on parachute payments too.


I don't think last time we went down from the PL the parachute payments even existed, we've been in L1 more recently than the PL, and I think Luton have been non league since then.


Nathan Jones has certainly done well to get them into the playoffs but they're a cynical side with a very lower-league ground (though it has character) clearly punching above their weight in terms of resources etc.



Forest could have - and probably should have - had more than 1 first half, will this end up mattering? Only Liverpool has beaten us at home in 2022 and we've had Arsenal and Leicester there too. Sheff Utd need to win by 1 to get extra time and 2 to go through.
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Old 15-05-2022, 11:55   #167
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Re: Season 2021/22

Was pleased Forest won and Liverpool too. The cup final was a poor game I thought. Regarding parachute payments,does anyone else think it's an unfair advantage against the rest of the league? I do.
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Old 15-05-2022, 12:06   #168
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Was pleased Forest won and Liverpool too. The cup final was a poor game I thought. Regarding parachute payments,does anyone else think it's an unfair advantage against the rest of the league? I do.
Then again, if there wasn't parachute payments, a newly promoted team would need to be reluctant to spend money in order to stay promoted in case they simply dropped down again.
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Was pleased Forest won and Liverpool too. The cup final was a poor game I thought. Regarding parachute payments,does anyone else think it's an unfair advantage against the rest of the league? I do.
It is. There is sort of like a PL2 at the moment of teams who spend time bouncing between the two divisions. Fulham, Norwich, Bournemouth, Sheff Utd, Watford, West Brom, mostly spend their time swapping between getting promoted and going down without really changing either, though it did take Bournemouth a couple of years to get back up, they still did it within their parachute money, and they don't usually look like they would make a fair crack at staying up - Norwich seem to be happy going up, getting the year of PL TV money etc, then going down and having 3 years more to go back, and without really strengthening when they do. Fulham loaned out a fair amount of their promotion squad from 2 years back, then did the same with some of their PL players this time, Sheff did the same with Mousset who was a good player for them in the PL, etc.


It's quite rare to get non-parachute sides seriously breaking into the promotion picture, Brentford finally managed it last year, I think Swansea got Cooper straight after relegation so would be in their last year of parachute payments now, so I think they beat a parachute side in the final.



It really does give them the advantage of having the opportunity to retain players for a year or so from their PL squad to try and get back up (if Fulham had to sell Mitrovic, how well would they have done?) or gives them the opportunity to bring in a few near the end (Bournemouth fancied an extra striker, so spent £5m on Kieffer Moore, whereas Forest could only bring in Sam Surridge for much less than that and a young PL loan even when our main striker got injured) to help the promotion push.


I'm not even massively convinced by the argument it softens the blow either financially. If a big club went down (and it's happened with Newcastle a few times) how far would parachute payments go? Most of the top players would want to leave anyway as they'd drop out of the international picture in the 2nd tier.
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Great result for NFFC today.

Great result for Liverpool in the F A Cup. It's never the best to have a game decided on penalties but it was an absolute joy to see mount fail to score his.
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Old 15-05-2022, 16:20   #171
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It is. There is sort of like a PL2 at the moment of teams who spend time bouncing between the two divisions. Fulham, Norwich, Bournemouth, Sheff Utd, Watford, West Brom, mostly spend their time swapping between getting promoted and going down without really changing either, though it did take Bournemouth a couple of years to get back up, they still did it within their parachute money, and they don't usually look like they would make a fair crack at staying up - Norwich seem to be happy going up, getting the year of PL TV money etc, then going down and having 3 years more to go back, and without really strengthening when they do. Fulham loaned out a fair amount of their promotion squad from 2 years back, then did the same with some of their PL players this time, Sheff did the same with Mousset who was a good player for them in the PL, etc.


It's quite rare to get non-parachute sides seriously breaking into the promotion picture, Brentford finally managed it last year, I think Swansea got Cooper straight after relegation so would be in their last year of parachute payments now, so I think they beat a parachute side in the final.



It really does give them the advantage of having the opportunity to retain players for a year or so from their PL squad to try and get back up (if Fulham had to sell Mitrovic, how well would they have done?) or gives them the opportunity to bring in a few near the end (Bournemouth fancied an extra striker, so spent £5m on Kieffer Moore, whereas Forest could only bring in Sam Surridge for much less than that and a young PL loan even when our main striker got injured) to help the promotion push.


I'm not even massively convinced by the argument it softens the blow either financially. If a big club went down (and it's happened with Newcastle a few times) how far would parachute payments go? Most of the top players would want to leave anyway as they'd drop out of the international picture in the 2nd tier.
You put it so right. Why should the relegated teams have an unfair financial advantage?
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You put it so right. Why should the relegated teams have an unfair financial advantage?
Because they were part of the richest league in the world and deserve their share as agreed by the members of that league, why should clubs with rich owners or loads of fans have an unfair financial advantage and why should the little people who work in the office or on match day have to bare the brunt of relegation with their jobs, you can't sack the players but you can them
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Because they were part of the richest league in the world and deserve their share as agreed by the members of that league, why should clubs with rich owners or loads of fans have an unfair financial advantage and why should the little people who work in the office or on match day have to bare the brunt of relegation with their jobs, you can't sack the players but you can them
But they're no longer in that league! It's an unfair advantage. As for clubs with rich owners or large fan base,well any club can be owned by rich owners should the so called rich guys want to own them.
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But they're no longer in that league! It's an unfair advantage. As for clubs with rich owners or large fan base,well any club can be owned by rich owners should the so called rich guys want to own them.
No but they contributed to that leagues success and they still have the accoutrements of being in that league especially if they're a well established team like Everton, how many of their players will have relegation wage cuts in their contracts, how many of these under achievers will other clubs want, I find it unfair when a club goes bankrupt or administrator's sack the people behind the scenes or pay suppliers pennies in the pound, parachute payments help with that rather than buying players
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I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility to suggest that most of the PL are at theoretical risk at least of getting relegated if they have a bad season.


So you'll get the promoted sides, who usually struggle, and then maybe the odd promoted side from the year before who just about managed to stay up, and then there's always the handful of other teams who are usually near the bottom such as Burnley, but apart from the likes of Man U, Leicester, Man C, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, the rest usually just mix around the same midtable positions. With 2 games left there's only 8 points between Leicester in 8th and Southampton in 15th.


It's quite rare that sides will convincingly break out of those groups for more than a few years. Leicester aren't even in the euro places this year, but they have recently won the league, FA Cup and come 2nd, for a smaller club, that's quite a big achievement.


But, these teams are usually only a bad run away from being at risk of slipping out. Burnley always seem to struggle, I think Leeds are on their 2nd or 3rd season back up, Everton are the side who've broken out of the pack this year as not a usual struggler or a recent promoted side, when Brentford and Brighton have done quite well, and Newcastle have shown it is possible to get into midtable with a managerial change (and in their case plenty of money).


But it would be foolish for them not to think that there is the possibility of getting relegated, then these players would have wage drop clauses in there, or release clauses, which is how they should do it, though that doesn't solve the issue of other clubs not wanting them (though an established PL player on the cheap would potentially fit a Brentford style approach or a promoted side). I guess football has this relegation thing where the performance causes an income drop where it doesn't affect most companies, I suppose the only parallel would be a company losing a major contract, but then they would probably have to cut staff themselves if that happened. Which is exactly what clubs would be forced to do with no parachute payments, you cut your cloth according to your income and not run up millions of debt.


I suppose if they got it for a season and not three it would give the clubs time to get any high earners off the wage bill and not cause too much disruption with the other 21 clubs in the division. If we ended up with the same six teams going up and down every year it would be a bit boring.


It would also be a shame to see Everton go down, I think they're one of only a few now to have been in the PL every year and not get relegated (think there's only otherwise Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs) but then, that's exactly what will happen if they don't do well enough. There have been plenty of bigger clubs relegated, Sheff Weds are in L1 again, as are Sunderland and Ipswich. Oldham have just been relegated from L2 but were founder PL members.
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Forest need to find something from somewhere, definitely second best in 2nd half.

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Better team in extra time..Wow, some penalty shoot out.

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Haha probably not (since its a sunday) but omg wow, shocking.
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He doesnt normally save them though! But you know that the gamesmanship he was doing put off the pen takers a bit didn't it.



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