11-08-2020, 07:48
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Re: Coronavirus
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They're all 'experts', they all have an opinion, they all read/interpret data differently, they all know what's best for us.
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Much the opinion of Boris' govt when they ignored scientists and applied lockdown weeks too late, causing many extra deaths.
All a matter of opinion or science or politics ? 
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11-08-2020, 10:08
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Re: Coronavirus
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Much the opinion of Boris' govt when they ignored scientists and applied lockdown weeks too late, causing many extra deaths.
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When you're given three lots of advice from those who are paid to advise, two will have to be placed behind the advice you go with at the time.
If that advice changes a week or two later, then the fault seems predominately with those giving advice, would you not agree?
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11-08-2020, 10:10
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Re: Coronavirus
Given the recent news coming out of Georgia in the US regarding infections amongst school children, I'm still unsure as to how in the UK the science is showing little risk of transmission in students
Not saying that getting children back to school isn't important and of course theres variation in how schools are setup/volume of students.
But for the UK to say risk of transmission between children is low seems at odds with the science from the rest of the world.
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11-08-2020, 10:21
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Given the recent news coming out of Georgia in the US regarding infections amongst school children, I'm still unsure as to how in the UK the science is showing little risk of transmission in students
Not saying that getting children back to school isn't important and of course theres variation in how schools are setup/volume of students.
But for the UK to say risk of transmission between children is low seems at odds with the science from the rest of the world.
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You might be right. But isn't the real problem that the science behind children's susceptibility to CV is not at all understood. For example, are we talking about US children being more obese making the more prone to infection?
Common sense tells me that anyone can be a carrier, whether or not they show symptoms. Accordingly behaviour and hygeine measures need to be put into place at the school. If we don't open the schools, we might as well all go home.
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11-08-2020, 10:52
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
Given the recent news coming out of Georgia in the US regarding infections amongst school children, I'm still unsure as to how in the UK the science is showing little risk of transmission in students
Not saying that getting children back to school isn't important and of course theres variation in how schools are setup/volume of students.
But for the UK to say risk of transmission between children is low seems at odds with the science from the rest of the world.
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It's a risk I'm willing to take.
We've had BLM protests with thousands congregating together.
We've had hot weather with thousands congregating together.
We've had pubs/Clubs open for weeks with thousands congregating together.
we've seen no discernible rise in infections and no second spike/ wave.
so let's get on with it.
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11-08-2020, 11:00
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
It's a risk I'm willing to take.
We've had BLM protests with thousands congregating together.
We've had hot weather with thousands congregating together.
We've had pubs/Clubs open for weeks with thousands congregating together.
we've seen no discernible rise in infections and no second spike/ wave.
so let's get on with it.
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11-08-2020, 11:03
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
It's a risk I'm willing to take.
We've had BLM protests with thousands congregating together.
We've had hot weather with thousands congregating together.
We've had pubs/Clubs open for weeks with thousands congregating together.
we've seen no discernible rise in infections and no second spike/ wave.
so let's get on with it.
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I thought Preston was locked down recently due to a rise in infections from people congregating together?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-53706436
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11-08-2020, 11:30
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Coronavirus
Absolutely,
you're all expendable for my convenience.
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11-08-2020, 11:43
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
You might be right. But isn't the real problem that the science behind children's susceptibility to CV is not at all understood. For example, are we talking about US children being more obese making the more prone to infection?
Common sense tells me that anyone can be a carrier, whether or not they show symptoms. Accordingly behaviour and hygeine measures need to be put into place at the school. If we don't open the schools, we might as well all go home.
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You highlight my point, if we don't understand children's susceptibility (which we appear not to considering the conflicting evidence) then how is the science showing that it's safe for them to return?
I don't believe that a persons weight influences their chances of catching the virus, more so that it potentially increases the severity of the infection.
US schools seem to be faring to a degree better than UK schools in terms of remote teaching. However since I've only spoken to friends and staff in NYC, MSP & SF that's more than likely a disjointed picture.
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Absolutely,
you're all expendable for my convenience.
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How's your self isolation going? Or, did you get the test (for your wife iirc) ?[COLOR="Silver"]
Thankfully, in reality your significance is much like the rest of us. little to none.
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11-08-2020, 12:02
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Re: Coronavirus
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yes and extra restrictions in Yorkshire and Manchester based on naff all.
The Preston example you cite.
The infection rate has "jumped" from 0.022% to a whopping 0.043%
What's missing in this "pandemic" is a little perspective.
Cases have remained below 1000 since 27th June. Which is below 0.0015% of population consistently for over a month.
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
How's your self isolation going? Or, did you get the test (for your wife iirc)
Thankfully, in reality your significance is much like the rest of us. little to none.
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No, she was fine after a couple of days just a summer cold, Cough and sore throat...............or was it? we'll never know.
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11-08-2020, 12:12
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Re: Coronavirus
I'm happy that they're clamping down on apparently small increases.
Before you know what you've got an epidemic on your hands.
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11-08-2020, 12:17
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
I'm happy that they're clamping down on apparently small increases.
Before you know what you've got an epidemic on your hands.
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Absolutely, and long may it continue until we're through this.
My overall point being that there is no reason not to open schools.
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11-08-2020, 13:52
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Re: Coronavirus
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Coronavirus: Putin says vaccine has been approved for use
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said a locally developed vaccine for Covid-19 has been given regulatory approval after less than two months of testing on humans.
Mr Putin said the vaccine had passed all the required checks, adding that his daughter had already been given it.
Officials have said they have plans to start mass vaccination in October.
Experts have raised concerns about the speed of Russia's work, suggesting that researchers might be cutting corners.
Amid fears that safety could have been compromised, the World Health Organization (WHO) urged Russia last week to follow international guidelines for producing a vaccine against Covid-19.
On Tuesday, the WHO said it had been in talks with Russian authorities about undertaking a review of the vaccine.
Currently, the Russian vaccine is not among the WHO's list of six vaccines that have reached phase three clinical trials, which involve more widespread testing in humans.
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11-08-2020, 13:54
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Re: Coronavirus
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I think I'll leave it for a while Vlad.
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11-08-2020, 14:06
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Re: Coronavirus
Coming back to the schoole side of things....
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...pread-22502202
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Absolutely, and long may it continue until we're through this.
My overall point being that there is no reason not to open schools.
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Or is there, you may have a point with primary schools, however, secondary schools the path seems to be a bit more unclear
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