Brexit

[Gavin78]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The reactions by Farage and his supporters make for more uncomfortable viewing than the filler moments in Eurovision. And that takes a lot!

You could say the same for remain voters?

On another note it makes me laugh how they are trying to block any Leave MP's wanting a shot at Mays job

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Well as I said for the major parties their donations are declared routinely. The exception being Change UK and there are also questions about the Led by Donkeys' campaign. There were a lot of questions about the former when they started, they even incorporated themselves in such a way to obscure their donations at first.

The thing is I am perfectly fine with people demanding to know where their funding comes from. It's important to know. Why would I defend them just because they support Remain? I am happy with supporting Remain just as you are with supporting Leave. I don't feel compelling to suit up to defend the political parties or politicians themselves. I don't trust Change UK, the Liberals and certainly not Labour.

Odd isn't it, attempting to use whataboutery to excuse people's behaviour, it's also odd expecting people to defend that behaviour just because they happen to favour their side of the argument, a pox on all their lying, corrupt, dishonest political houses imo

Originally Posted by Mick

Oh here is that “Manifesto” term being used again, um, pray tell, why a Manifesto is so important, in today’s political climate, given none of two main parties stuck to theirs, meanwhile, Libdems, are also hypocrites, given they pledged not to increase tuition fees but then did, once they got a slice of power in 2010.

The manifesto pledges were for if they gained power they didn't, they were the junior partners in a coalition who I think did exceptionally well to get 80% of that manifesto you so easily and readily dismiss into acts of parliament and to achieve that they had to compromise, perhaps if our politicians today had been ready to compromise we wouldn't be in the mess we find ourselves in, was all do avoidable as well

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I'm not at all uncomfortable and our Nige denies wrongdoing. However, if he does get criticised for this in the end, it does not change the argument for Brexit, does it?
As I said, the expenses issue is a diversion from where the future of our country lies.

Our nige, seriously? Possibly the most ludicrous thing I've seen posted on here in a while

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Originally Posted by Mick

Oh be under no illusion, no discomfort here at all, totally satisfied with which party I support, no amount of smearing will stop me. Brexit must happen, that’s what democracy decided. So I will support whichever party has the balls to stand up to the EU, which was seen on secret tape, boasting that it had turned us in to a colony.

That's the part you bring up from that tape, the boasting? I was much more interested in what concessions they were prepared to give us at the start that we didn't ask for, i had a lot of sympathy for Mrs May but it's gone now and I revert to my original stance that I warned you all about when she got the top job,.that she wasn't up to it and uses delegation as a way of shielding herself from criticism

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

You could say the same for remain voters?

On another note it makes me laugh how they are trying to block any Leave MP's wanting a shot at Mays job

Wrong on both points.
I see that British Steel is set to fall into administration. More Project Fear.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Wrong on both points.
I see that British Steel is set to fall into administration. More Project Fear.

British Steel has secured a £100m loan from the government to pay its EU carbon bill, a source close to the company has said.

From Oct 2015(before Brexit vote)

Why are loads of British steel plants closing all at once?
Tata Steel is the latest company to announce that it's cutting jobs in Britain.
The Indian-owned firm has announced plans to get rid of 1,170 people at its plants in Scunthorpe and Lanarkshire.
It's the latest in a series of recent losses across the steel industry in the UK.
Caparo Industries is in trouble and the SSI steel plant at Redcar closed last month, with 2,200 jobs going.
...
Tata Steel is blaming collapsing prices, high electricity costs, green taxes on energy prices and the strong pound for its decision to cut back its UK operations.
Basically it's too expensive to make steel in the UK in a highly competitive world market.

Originally Posted by pip08456

How much money does Banks say he gave to Farage? Please post source.

From the previous page, there is a link to the BBC article in post #2344

Originally Posted by Hugh

Of course it won’t - Nigel can do no wrong.

There is substance - Nigel denied it, then Arron Banks said "yes, I did".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48315552

Reporting things that actually happened and Nigel denied actually happened ≠ character assassination.

It states

Nigel Farage received £450,000 from the founder of pro-Brexit group Leave.EU in the year after the Brexit referendum.

Items paid for by Arron Banks included Mr Farage's London home, his car and trips to the US to meet Donald Trump.

A spokesman for Mr Banks confirmed the amount and what it had been used for, saying it was an "honour to help".

Hope this helps...

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Originally Posted by nomadking

From Oct 2015(before Brexit vote)

You appear to have missed a bit out from the source of your first quote, which was from the BBC last month.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48113303

British Steel has secured a £100m loan from the government to pay its EU carbon bill, a source close to the company has said.

The money means the private equity-owned firm will avoid a steep EU fine.

The firm said earlier this month it needed the funds to settle its 2018 pollution bill due at the end of April.

Sky News said the government money was used to pay for the company's carbon credits - and that British Steel would repay the money on commercial terms.

The firm has been hit by a European Union decision to suspend UK firms' access to free carbon permits until a Brexit withdrawal deal is ratified.

The EU's emissions trading system's rules allow industrial polluters to use carbon credits to pay for the previous year's emissions, or trade them to raise money.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

You appear to have missed a bit out from the source of your first quote, which was from the BBC last month.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48113303

But for the period 2018/19 we were still in the EU irrespective of any withdrawal agreement. Either the EU carbon tax didn't apply or the free carbon permits still did.



Still leaves from Oct 2015:-

Tata Steel is blaming collapsing prices, high electricity costs, green taxes on energy prices and the strong pound for its decision to cut back its UK operations.
Basically it's too expensive to make steel in the UK in a highly competitive world market.

Originally Posted by Hugh

From the previous page, there is a link to the BBC article in post #2344



It states

Hope this helps...

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You appear to have missed a bit out from the source of your first quote, which was from the BBC last month.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48113303

So in essence, what you’ve shown there Hugh, is just how much of a bully, EU is by Suspending Free permits for British Steel, so they rack up a bill that’s caused them to go further in to red. Good old corrupt EU and people want to align and remain in this disgusting and cancerous union that likes to boast that it’s successfully turned us in to a colony of the EU.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If key protagonists on any side of a debate are found to be acting against the law or the spirit of the law then it weakens them as spokespeople for their arguments.
In the case of Nigel Farage, he has such a simple message and powerful personality that I doubt his supporters will do much critical thinking if anything unlawful is exposed. In the case of Change UK, they have few supporters and minimal funding that I doubt they have had the opportunity to do anything unlawful.

Whatever you may think about Nigel Farage, don't let it escape you that his views on Brexit are the same as his supporters.

The reason he is drawing so much attention from people such as your good self is that they are remainers who appear to be uncomfortable with his straight forward views and they have nothing to counter them that is in any way convincing. That is why they go for character assassination and yogurt throwing.

It's pretty pathetic, really.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Odd isn't it, attempting to use whataboutery to excuse people's behaviour, it's also odd expecting people to defend that behaviour just because they happen to favour their side of the argument, a pox on all their lying, corrupt, dishonest political houses imo




The manifesto pledges were for if they gained power they didn't, they were the junior partners in a coalition who I think did exceptionally well to get 80% of that manifesto you so easily and readily dismiss into acts of parliament and to achieve that they had to compromise, perhaps if our politicians today had been ready to compromise we wouldn't be in the mess we find ourselves in, was all do avoidable as well



Our nige, seriously? Possibly the most ludicrous thing I've seen posted on here in a while

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That's the part you bring up from that tape, the boasting? I was much more interested in what concessions they were prepared to give us at the start that we didn't ask for, i had a lot of sympathy for Mrs May but it's gone now and I revert to my original stance that I warned you all about when she got the top job,.that she wasn't up to it and uses delegation as a way of shielding herself from criticism

The EU were not acting in good faith so the concession would have been hardly existent, because the EU, were even caught saying they cannot be seen to give UK a great deal on departure, because that would invoke further members to want to leave their con job union. To see the sneering and disdain on public show in that vid, totally validated my decision to vote leave and now, more than ever, do we now need to get out of this horrible union.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

The reason he is drawing so much attention from people such as your good self is that they are remainers who appear to be uncomfortable with his straight forward views and they have nothing to counter them that is in any way convincing. That is why they go for character assassination and yogurt throwing.

It's pretty pathetic, really.

I don't understand why you get so invested in politicians to the point you deem it a personal affront if people criticise them.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

The EU were not acting in good faith so the concession would have been hardly existent, because the EU, were even caught saying they cannot be seen to give UK a great deal on departure, because that would invoke further members to want to leave their con job union. To see the sneering and disdain on public show in that vid, totally validated my decision to vote leave and now, more than ever, do we now need to get out of this horrible union.

Genuine questions Mick. If we leave the EU, and it isn't better, or even a lot worse, who will you blame then? What/who would you vote for? Will you bring Nigel to account? Always easy to be a populist and point the finger and promise goodies tomorrow. What if we have goodies and don't realise it?

[papa smurf]

Nigel Farage vows to press charges against 'radicalised Remainer' who pelted him with a £5.25 MILKSHAKE during European election tour to Newcastle as politicians from BOTH sides slam 'violent and intimidating’ trend


Mr Farage tweeted afterwards: 'Sadly some remainers have become radicalised, to the extent that normal campaigning is becoming impossible.'

He later told reporters that the milkshake was 'yobbo flavoured' and he is understood to have made a statement to Northumbria Police.


He should press charges and hopefully a severe example will be set.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tion-tour.html

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Nigel Farage vows to press charges against 'radicalised Remainer' who pelted him with a £5.25 MILKSHAKE during European election tour to Newcastle as politicians from BOTH sides slam 'violent and intimidating’ trend


Mr Farage tweeted afterwards: 'Sadly some remainers have become radicalised, to the extent that normal campaigning is becoming impossible.'

He later told reporters that the milkshake was 'yobbo flavoured' and he is understood to have made a statement to Northumbria Police.


He should press charges and hopefully a severe example will be set.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tion-tour.html

tbh hope he's lactose intolerant....

Don't condone it but l, unless it was a salted caramel milkshake, it's hardly 'radical'. It's not on the same scale as what happened to Jo Cox. The true nasty nutters come from the right.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

tbh hope he's lactose intolerant....

Don't condone it but l, unless it was a salted caramel milkshake, it's hardly 'radical'. It's not on the same scale as what happened to Jo Cox. The true nasty nutters come from the right.

I can see what he means by radicalised when i read your posts.

Absolute first-class hypocrisy from Remainers and @peoplesvote_uk, their own website literally says that they set their donation limit at £499 "which means that individual donors don't have to be checked" re £500 foreign donation legal limit. But all the funding suspicions get levied at Brexit Party. One sided bias because they cannot accept the fast success of the BP.