Brexit

Originally Posted by Mick

Wrong as usual - we are still in, because of the worst Parliament since Oliver Cromwell, worst PM since Anthony Eden and a pathetic, set of self serving fools, majority of them AKA MPs.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

By the same token, you'd rather we remain in the EU under their cosh and jurisdiction?

So how will we have customs checks without any border infrastructure?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

So how will we have customs checks without any border infrastructure?

We'll just give Ireland back to the Irish, sorted. Stuff the DUP.
https://g.co/kgs/W7cuQt

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

By the same token, I’d rather be part of a larger organisation of states working together to improve the quality of life of its citizens and economies of the participants countries, using its greater economic and political heft.

… and that is the ballot paper divide.


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Originally Posted by nomadking

The likes of Romania are never, no matter how much money you give them, going to match Germany.


All Germany seems to do is want to IMPOSE on everybody else, the burdens it imposes upon itself. All in the name of a "level playing field". An EU country is not allowed to have different policies that might be beneficial to it.

See the CAP for details. If it doesn't suit France, it doesn't improve.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

We'll just give Ireland back to the Irish, sorted. Stuff the DUP.
https://g.co/kgs/W7cuQt

That's not too far off giving Israel "back" to the Arabs.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

By the same token, I’d rather be part of a larger organisation of states working together to improve the quality of life of its citizens and economies of the participants countries, using its greater economic and political heft.

So would I.........do you know one?

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Originally Posted by Mr K

We'll just give Ireland back to the Irish, sorted. Stuff the DUP.
https://g.co/kgs/W7cuQt

Either very naive or very stupid

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Originally Posted by Damien

So how will we have customs checks without any border infrastructure?

Do we have to physically inspect vehicles?

Or can what is loaded onto vehicles be logged onto a database at the loading point. ANPR can click it as passes through the border ( and at other points along the way). The contents can the be checked off again at the point of unloading.

It is not beyond the wit of man to sort this out if there was a real desire to do it.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

So how will we have customs checks without any border infrastructure?

Everything will have already been "booked in" from our current external borders, eg container ships from China, or produced in the UK.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Do we have to physically inspect vehicles?

Not all of them, but certainly some of them.

Or can what is loaded onto vehicles be logged onto a database at the loading point. ANPR can click it as passes through the border ( and at other points along the way). The contents can the be checked off again at the point of unloading.

Who checks them? You can't have customs officials at every possible unloading point in the country. Do you just trust the final recipients to declare items to be taxed, items that shouldn't have made it though? The obvious place would be in the Irish Sea but that is a non-starter with the DUP and Unionists because it further diverges N.Ireland from the rest of the U.K. which is why we asked for the wider backstop.

It is not beyond the wit of man to sort this out if there was a real desire to do it.

Plenty of people have said this but no one has an answer. People will say 'we'll just use blockchain/technology/the cloud' without elaborating or that 'it will be fine' but against without the actual answer.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Everything will have already been "booked in" from our current external borders, eg container ships from China, or produced in the UK.

No because at the moment with the EU everything that comes into the UK from elsewhere is checked and anything from the EU is not. That's because they're checked on their entry into the EU.

We're talking about a new EU border. For most cases that's fine since we're an island so have checks at every entry point apart from one: The border on the island of Ireland.

Originally Posted by ianch99

It is depressing when Sinn Fein have more principles and honesty than the Brexit/UKIP political entity. Putting yourself forward in an democratic election as self-avowed fifth columnists is just gutter politics.

Here's the Code of Conduct for Members of the European Parliament



Mr Farage and his cohorts to a tee!

I wouldn't be surprised if, before long, Farage will deploys his fascist scare tactics in the upcoming EU elections.

Oh please - I get sick of hearing the word "fascist" these days, so commonly and incorrectly used by people who just simply disagree with others, there is nothing Fascist what Farage has ever said - it's pathetic this typical smearing from Remainers, but as usual ignore the real issues from parties like Labour and now ChUK'ers who launched this week and at last count, has now dismissed three candidates due to their prior racist remarks.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not all of them, but certainly some of them.



Who checks them? You can't have customs officials at every possible unloading point in the country. Do you just trust the final recipients to declare items to be taxed, items that shouldn't have made it though? The obvious place would be in the Irish Sea but that is a non-starter with the DUP and Unionists because it further diverges N.Ireland from the rest of the U.K. which is why we asked for the wider backstop.



Plenty of people have said this but no one has an answer. People will say 'we'll just use blockchain/technology/the cloud' without elaborating or that 'it will be fine' but against without the actual answer.

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No because at the moment with the EU everything that comes into the UK from elsewhere is checked and anything from the EU is not. That's because they're checked on their entry into the EU.

We're talking about a new EU border. For most cases that's fine since we're an island so have checks at every entry point apart from one: The border on the island of Ireland.

The EU is supposedly concerned about illicit goods entering the EU via NI. All goods from outside the EU and UK, will have already been checked by UK Customs.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Dave42

we be out by now if Ireland border was solved and easy it aint easy that's why we still in at moment

Spot on!

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Is it fair to presume that at the last general election, like the referendum, people knew exactly what they were voting for? If yes, then the general population must be culpable at least to some extent as the current government is only in place due to the will of the people?

Are you being serious with this rubbish?

The people instructed the government and yes, before Hugh starts barking, it was an instruction, to leave the corrupted EU, we was then met with a snap election, it is not the peoples fault if the government does not stick to their manifesto pledges.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Spot on!

Nope, not spot on at all - you know very well we have a Remainer Parliament, we are still in because of self serving fools, who are not honouring their Manifesto pledges.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Nope, not spot on at all - you know very well we have a Remainer Parliament, we are still in because of self serving fools, who are not honouring their Manifesto pledges.

The make-up of Parliament is irrelevant to the creation of the backstop. The backstop was insisted on by the Republic of Ireland - not by Theresa May, Dominic Grieve or even Amber Rudd!

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The make-up of Parliament is irrelevant to the creation of the backstop. The backstop was insisted on by the Republic of Ireland - not by Theresa May, Dominic Grieve or even Amber Rudd!

AND - This has absolutely nothing to do with why we are still in. We are still in because as I have said more than once - we have a Remainer Parliament, Remainer PM - who simply has an half-hearted effort to leave the EU.

Put a leaver in charge and we would soon depart without all this bullshit from the Remainer saboteurs.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Are you being serious with this rubbish?

The people instructed the government and yes, before Hugh starts barking, it was an instruction, to leave the corrupted EU, we was then met with a snap election, it is not the peoples fault if the government does not stick to their manifesto pledges.

I'm constantly being told that everyone knows what they are voting for. I also know that people should change their minds if the facts change ie new or better evidence arises. This suggests the country knew what they were doing when they voted in a Remainer-dominated parliament.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

AND - This has absolutely nothing to do with why we are still in. We are still in because as I have said more than once - we have a Remainer Parliament, Remainer PM - who simply has an half-hearted effort to leave the EU.

Put a leaver in charge and we would soon depart without all this bullshit from the Remainer saboteurs.

So which of the 'leavers' would you put in charge ? There is a myriad of talent to choose from..... Chief Clown Boris ?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Oh please - I get sick of hearing the word "fascist" these days, so commonly and incorrectly used by people who just simply disagree with others, there is nothing Fascist what Farage has ever said - it's pathetic this typical smearing from Remainers, but as usual ignore the real issues from parties like Labour and now ChUK'ers who launched this week and at last count, has now dismissed three candidates due to their prior racist remarks.

Seems fair to me:

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