Election 2019 - Week 4

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The Jewish ex-Labour MPs would disagree with you. The Chief Rabbi disagrees with you. Corbyn wouldn't apologise and Corbyn has openly supported terrorist organisations, particularly those that want to destroy Israel.

The chief rabbi considers himself a close personal friend of Johnson, so I’m not giving that much credibility.

I can go on Twitter and find Jews supporting Labour. So I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you suggest.

Thinking the state of Israel shouldn’t exist is a legitimate political stance. Given the number of civilians they kill on a regular basis arguable peace in the Middle East would be better served without Israel.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Week 4 and I'm still undecided.

Who should I vote for and why?

Simple: -

if you want Brexit and negotiations dragging on then vote Tory.

If you want Brexit gone, vote Lib Dem.

If you want to have a referendum over soft Brexit or Remain, vote Labour.

Be mindful of the consequences of either an outright Tory or Labour win. Hung parliament may well prevent the worse excess of either.

Originally Posted by jfman

Thinking the state of Israel shouldn’t exist is a legitimate political stance. Given the number of civilians they kill on a regular basis arguable peace in the Middle East would be better served without Israel.

No, it is not.

It is the kind of extremism that causes major wars. There is nothing remotely legitimate, or political, about it.

Thinking the state of Israel should not have been created is an acceptable judgment of history. I hope that’s what you were driving at. Nevertheless that view can only endure as an assessment of historical events and it absolutely cannot be used to advance the idea that a modern, democratic nation state, that participates in normal international bodies and conventions, would be better off extinct. What you consider to be virtue-signalling words on an Internet forum, others take as legitimising their desire to commit genocide.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

The chief rabbi considers himself a close personal friend of Johnson, so I’m not giving that much credibility.

I can go on Twitter and find Jews supporting Labour. So I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you suggest.

Thinking the state of Israel shouldn’t exist is a legitimate political stance. Given the number of civilians they kill on a regular basis arguable peace in the Middle East would be better served without Israel.

And the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah don't attack anybody? The Israelis leave people alone until Israel is attacked. Perhaps Hamas should stop launching attacks and the people of Gaza should stop supporting them.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

The chief rabbi considers himself a close personal friend of Johnson, so I’m not giving that much credibility.

I can go on Twitter and find Jews supporting Labour. So I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you suggest.

Thinking the state of Israel shouldn’t exist is a legitimate political stance. Given the number of civilians they kill on a regular basis arguable peace in the Middle East would be better served without Israel.

Oh dear. Given that those in the region who agree with you have demonstrated that by starting at least 4 full scale wars with Israel, murdered israelis and people all over the world through terrorist activities, your esteem is lowered.

[jfman]

An apartheid state occupying Palestine and committing war crimes on a regular basis isn’t my view of a modern democratic nation state. I think it’s important to make a distinction between Jewish people and the Israeli state though, because all too often they cloud the two to stop criticism of Israel by labelling it anti Semitic. We are moving off topic so I’ll leave it there.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The Jewish ex-Labour MPs would disagree with you. The Chief Rabbi disagrees with you. Corbyn wouldn't apologise and Corbyn has openly supported terrorist organisations, particularly those that want to destroy Israel.

Strange how we are asked to forget what BJ said/did in the 80s/90s/00s as he may have matured/grown up/changed, but cannot apply the same thing to JC.

(I couldn't support JC, but it does seem to be one rule for one, and one for another - this also counts for the Islamaphobia in the Tory Party).

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah don't attack anybody? The Israelis leave people alone until Israel is attacked. Perhaps Hamas should stop launching attacks and the people of Gaza should stop supporting them.

The circle of violence continues forever without dialogue.

Originally Posted by jfman

The chief rabbi considers himself a close personal friend of Johnson, so I’m not giving that much credibility.

I can go on Twitter and find Jews supporting Labour. So I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you suggest.

Thinking the state of Israel shouldn’t exist is a legitimate political stance. Given the number of civilians they kill on a regular basis arguable peace in the Middle East would be better served without Israel.

Source, please?

Him sending a congratulations letter to BJ on his taking up the PM post is the same thing that Macron and Tusk did, and they ain't no friends of BJ...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

The circle of violence continues forever without dialogue.

If Hamas were remotely interested in peace, they could stop the cycle easily. Israel not responding, would just produce yet more attacks from Hamas.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

If Hamas were remotely interested in peace, they could stop the cycle easily. Israel not responding, would just produce yet more attacks from Hamas.

Would it?

Killing civilians only angers more families and radicalises further generations.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

Would it?

Killing civilians only angers more families and radicalises further generations.

Israel would have nothing they need to respond to.

[Sephiroth]

In a totally boring debate on BBC last night, the Conservative has by far the better of it. Labour were lying through their teeth about the NHS.

The Tory didn’t bumble like Boris does and was totally coherent in his message.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

In a totally boring debate on BBC last night, the Conservative has by far the better of it. Labour were lying through their teeth about the NHS.

The Tory didn’t bumble like Boris does and was totally coherent in his message.

He must have been.memorable, you can't even remember his name ! Better than Boris isn't setting the bar high.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

He must have been.memorable, you can't even remember his name ! Better than Boris isn't setting the bar high.

Why did I need to know his name? This is Conservatives vs Labour.

Btw, it would be good to see those on this thread who have said they’ll vote Labour to identify themselves and give a valid excuse for backing an anti Semitic party. In all conscience, there should be no support for Momentum thugs and the consequences of their hatred of Jews, nor formCorbyn’s affinity with IRA and Arab terrorists.