You are here: Home | Forum | Election 2019 - Week 3
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most of the discussions, articles and other free features. By joining our Virgin Media community you will have full access to all discussions, be able to view and post threads, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own images/photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please join our community today.
Your phone will be installed when we’re good and ready. Get back in line.
I worked for post office telephones, you want black or ivory?,if you have a party line you can be on service in two months.
__________________
To be or not to be, woke is the question Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer. The slings and arrows of outrageous wokedome, Or to take arms against a sea of wokies. And by opposing end them.
If that is the case, why are they mentioning it? Is that because they say "Once here,", ie immediately after getting off the train, plane, boat, dinghy, lorry etc. All those currently in France and those on their way will be provided with a "safe and legal" route into the UK. Then their "families" will automatically also be allowed to come.
You're not a refugee when you come off train, plane, boat, dinghy, lorry etc., you're an asylum seeker. Very different thing. According to the Government, 53% of asylum claims are granted, giving refugee status to asylum seekers - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-protection-to
Asylum seekers do not have the right to work normally unless their applications for refugee status takes longer than a year. Instead, if needed housing and subsistence can be provided under section 95 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 (or section 4 for cases under appeal)
That fullfact website is rubbish, I thought they were suppose to be helping the Tories?
Are they not the one and the same, a sort of Old Etonian Ministry Of Truth?
The "Can You Trust The Tories" theme continues apace. The Tory Party: a party that is now institutionally dishonest.
The lies are so numerous by Johnson, Peter Oborne, a conservative Brexit supporter and former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph, has organised a website to track all of the PM's lies:
This goes a lot further than Brexit. The moral core, such as it was, of our political system is being ripped out by the Tories.Twitter says that the Tories have misled the public [during an Election campaign] but the Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab couldn't care less:
You're not a refugee when you come off train, plane, boat, dinghy, lorry etc., you're an asylum seeker. Very different thing. According to the Government, 53% of asylum claims are granted, giving refugee status to asylum seekers - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-protection-to
Asylum seekers do not have the right to work normally unless their applications for refugee status takes longer than a year. Instead, if needed housing and subsistence can be provided under section 95 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 (or section 4 for cases under appeal)
Then the term "Once here" wouldn't apply, unless it applies everybody once they've get off the train etc.
This is the whole passage.
Quote:
Refugees
Refugees are victims of wars,
environmental catastrophes,
famine or persecution.
This government has failed its
international legal obligations to
refugees and to allow people to
exercise their rights to seek asylum.
A Labour government will uphold those
rights and meet those obligations.
We will work with others to resume
rescue missions in the Mediterranean,
co-operate with the French authorities
to put an end to the horrific camps,
and establish safe and legal routes for
asylum seekers.
Once here, refugees will have the right
to work, access to public services
and will be treated humanely by
government at all levels.
No mention of having assessed them first.
Almost sounds like they're going to send cruise ships to Libya, Turkey etc to pick them up.
1st link: This website is the work of a collaborative venture by Richard Assheton, Adam Bychawski, Tom Chivers, Peter Oborne, Charlie Peters, Michael Prodger, Dai Richards and William Wickstead.
2cnd link: Twitter says . . .
Top class stuff right there, no wonder the world has gone to . . .
No doubt they will also count as "working hours", thereby reducing the effective working week at a stroke. Also increasing business costs, without the claimed increase in productivity, that is supposed to pay for it all.
No doubt they will also count as "working hours", thereby reducing the effective working week at a stroke. Also increasing business costs, without the claimed increase in productivity, that is supposed to pay for it all.
Somebody needs to work mate, to pay for all the benefits most of this forum seem to be claiming ! Seems there's a lot of hypocrisy on here from those not in work (sometimes with justifiable reasons) having a go those working and paying taxes to support them. Protect the workers, they're your safety net.
Somebody needs to work mate, to pay for all the benefits most of this forum seem to be claiming ! Seems there's a lot of hypocrisy on here from those not in work (sometimes with justifiable reasons) having a go those working and paying taxes to support them. Protect the workers, they're your safety net.
Well, I am glad you have worked out that public services actually have to be paid for from income. What I don't understand is how Corbyn thinks he can pay for that sackful of Christmas goodies he says he will give us if he wins the election (heaven forbid).
He sticks to his story that he will milk the rich, without addressing the impact of his policies, which will drive most of them away. What will Corbyn do then, poor thing?
Oh, yes, he will just print the money (so McDonnell says). IMF, here we come if we get a Labour Government. Then you will really see what austerity looks like. Remember Greece?
Somebody needs to work mate, to pay for all the benefits most of this forum seem to be claiming ! Seems there's a lot of hypocrisy on here from those not in work (sometimes with justifiable reasons) having a go those working and paying taxes to support them. Protect the workers, they're your safety net.
A couple of us are retired after a lifetime of graft
__________________
To be or not to be, woke is the question Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer. The slings and arrows of outrageous wokedome, Or to take arms against a sea of wokies. And by opposing end them.
Well, I am glad you have worked out that public services actually have to be paid for from income. What I don't understand is how Corbyn thinks he can pay for that sackful of Christmas goodies he says he will give us if he wins the election (heaven forbid).
Ditto Boris, he's got own magic money forest along with his crop of lies. He's promising spending not seen since the 1970s, plus tax cuts ! It's not obvious crap from a habitual liar. Why aren't you calling out him in the same way?
1st link: This website is the work of a collaborative venture by Richard Assheton, Adam Bychawski, Tom Chivers, Peter Oborne, Charlie Peters, Michael Prodger, Dai Richards and William Wickstead.
2cnd link: Twitter says . . .
Top class stuff right there, no wonder the world has gone to . . .
Well I can congratulate you on being able to read but apart from that, your post adds no value.
Fifteen years ago, I was so appalled by the dishonesty of Tony Blair’s administration over Iraq that I wrote a treatise, The Rise of Political Lying, on the subject. Since then I have kept a dossier of political lies by British governments. This dossier suggests that the scale of lying in the few short months since Mr Johnson became prime minister has risen exponentially to record levels. That’s why I decided to publish my record of the lies, falsehoods and misleading statements made by Mr Johnson and his colleagues.
After weeks of work, my website has finally gone live. It shows that the lying taking place under the Johnson administration is far more serious than anything that has taken place before. Much of it is deliberate, calculated and systematic.
Johnson leads an English nationalist movement hostile to parliamentary democracy and the rule of law and driven by a Trumpian narrative about truth. He has driven out traditional Tories such as Philip Hammond, Dominic Grieve and Rory Stewart. He has created a party that Farage is happy to strike a deal with. Can Burkean Tories support Johnson’s Tories come election day? l
Peter Oborne’s website can be accessed at boris-johnson-lies.com
__________________
Unifi Express + BT Whole Home WiFi | VM 1Gbps
Ditto Boris, he's got own magic money forest along with his crop of lies. He's promising spending not seen since the 1970s, plus tax cuts ! It's not obvious crap from a habitual liar. Why aren't you calling out him in the same way?
The Conservatives aren't the ones who have a credibility problem when it comes to managing the economy. Labour seem to want to have their cake and eat it. Drive out the investors and high earners but still spend the money that will no longer be available. These policies will be truly ruinous and the benefits from commencing on this programme will be short lived. Eventually, it will all grind to a halt, and guess what - more austerity.
Somebody needs to work mate, to pay for all the benefits most of this forum seem to be claiming ! Seems there's a lot of hypocrisy on here from those not in work (sometimes with justifiable reasons) having a go those working and paying taxes to support them. Protect the workers, they're your safety net.
Increasing business costs is not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination. Leads to increases in inflation, and decreases competitiveness. How is increasing wage costs by such a large amount a good thing? The bare minimum that would happen is that profits and therefore the tax paid, goes down.
Labour claim that their proposals for shorter working week for the same annual salary, will be self-funded by increases in productivity.
Increasing business costs is not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination. Leads to increases in inflation, and decreases competitiveness. How is increasing wage costs by such a large amount a good thing? The bare minimum that would happen is that profits and therefore the tax paid, goes down.
Labour claim that their proposals for shorter working week for the same annual salary, will be self-funded by increases in productivity.
Theres tons of data out there that a 30-32 hour working week is almost as effective as a 37 hour week.
Increasing wage costs results in income tax and NI going up so your flawed notion that less profits = less tax doesn't hold up. An actual human being resident in the UK (99 per cent of the time) is going to spend that money, and pay VAT in the process. Benefits go down with employment up.
Companies profits on the other hand - dividends and tax havens.
Join CF
You are here: 
