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Old 01-04-2013, 15:22   #16
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

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I'm sorry Mertle but unreconstructed lefty hatred of those who have made a success of their lives is not going to fix anything. Some people are rich. That's life, so what?

We live in a capitalist economy with a fiat currency in which work results in wealth creation. Demanding that more of the existing wealth at the top of the pile is creamed off is not a sustainable solution. The sustainable solution is to get the people who are not working, doing work. This results in wealth creation and at the same time reduces a welfare bill that currently accounts for one third of government spending.

Problem is the system not working yes wages and jobs need creating but at zero cost to government no point in creating minimum wages if that cant support our standard living.

Not against rich good luck. However small section who inherited the wealth who not wise with it.

There is huge problem with crony capitalism which eating itself like a cancer. That is very bad you would naive to think there nothing wrong. OIne selfish interests businesses only look short termism and bottom line profits to syphon off to top echelons or shareholders is bad business practice. Very bad for the economy as a whole.

They cant put head in sand expect government to support there low paid workforce and say hell not paying taxes either. Its atitude which will tank the economy.

We got ourselves in muddle and impasse. We dont like anger homeowners we dont want upset those with money but reality this only answer. Yes governments have little room else they get wholesale riots. You have to support wages or do what only left to do thats wholesale delaverage of standard living. We put up interest rates to stop inflation will make alot homeowners angry many lose there homes.

We cant keep allowing rental markets freedon to raise prices to breaking point. We cant allow private landords freedom but wont let councils build waves council homes.

We doing everything backwards hope private business take up the slack without the DEMAND. That Demand getting sucked out of the economy at present.

No point unlevearaging the protection without the demand not rocket science economics there Chris. Its not leftist its every leading economist telling these useless idiots. Even ODS told them they tanked economy by 1.5 GDP.

Country cant support it without sucking our economy we have little export power to compensate the devauling pound. We would been far better doing nothing let the economy right its self then solve ills with better regulation tighter controls. Yes wish labour had got grips of runaway standard living but brown so drunk on it fact we been so drunk on housing booms(ponzi scheme for years).

Hugh thanks for the figures still pretty bad.
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

As from today reality has kicked in. there's no more thinking about how much money they will have less to spend on food, energy, bills and whatever.
as from today they have less money. it has become a reality.

the average is around 17 per week.
may sound a little. but you're not doing it by percentages.
take 25% off your weekly income to see the effects.

we have set foot on the path of no return. as from today things can only get worse.

and I'd like to give a shout out to all the laughing bankers. and on behalf of the British homeless, poor and vulnerable. say a big thankyou to each and everyone of you
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Old 01-04-2013, 15:53   #18
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

We all know that the Tory party are for the rich, and the Labour is the poor mans party.

But since the coalition came into power they brought in all these cuts, these have all hit the vulnerable and the poor, we have students in this country struggling to make ends meet, but what has the coalition done - put up student fees.

They have cut the police service to to the bone, what happens crime WILL go up, no doubt about it, you will have people that will commit crime to support there families - ie shoplifting, burglary. You will have people get depressed and take there own lives.
They introduced this stupid Bedroom Tax ( like they did with the Poll Tax, just to bring in extra funds).

They have hit pensions, they have put this country into further recession, they are cutting the welfare bill, that will hit so many.

There have been calls for taxation that the rich will pay more, there have been people that have admitted that they have avoided paying tax.

They have NOT once said that will create jobs by investment int this country, that will provide jobs, They have said that we will create training schemes - for what, there is no work out there for these people to go to.

They are paying companies (with our tax money) to take on unemployed people to do 'voluntary work, this WILL NOT create a job.

Figures do not come into the true fact that the poor and the vulnerable are being hit by this government, and they cannot answer back.

There was a story along with a photo in a media paper, where it showed Osborne and friends having a party where they were paying 300 quid for bottles of wine.
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

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We all know that the Tory party are for the rich, and the Labour is the poor mans party.

But since the coalition came into power they brought in all these cuts, these have all hit the vulnerable and the poor, we have students in this country struggling to make ends meet, but what has the coalition done - put up student fees.

They have cut the police service to to the bone, what happens crime WILL go up, no doubt about it, you will have people that will commit crime to support there families - ie shoplifting, burglary. You will have people get depressed and take there own lives.
They introduced this stupid Bedroom Tax ( like they did with the Poll Tax, just to bring in extra funds).

They have hit pensions, they have put this country into further recession, they are cutting the welfare bill, that will hit so many.

There have been calls for taxation that the rich will pay more, there have been people that have admitted that they have avoided paying tax.

They have NOT once said that will create jobs by investment int this country, that will provide jobs, They have said that we will create training schemes - for what, there is no work out there for these people to go to.

They are paying companies (with our tax money) to take on unemployed people to do 'voluntary work, this WILL NOT create a job.

Figures do not come into the true fact that the poor and the vulnerable are being hit by this government, and they cannot answer back.

There was a story along with a photo in a media paper, where it showed Osborne and friends having a party where they were paying 300 quid for bottles of wine.
While I don't, in general, agree with what this government is doing.

It's worth pointing out that at least two things the government is doing are designed at least partly with the idea of creating jobs.

These are the building of HS2 (which I seem to remember you complained bitterly about) and the measures to increase lending to first time buyers (which, IIRC, you are complaining about elsewhere on the forum).
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

Some rich people have worked hard to earn there money, why should they give it to the scroungers on benefits. Its the folk who are screwing the system who can work but choose not to that are causing genuine people who need benefits to suffer.

The tories make it clear, work hard get money, choose not to work and you wont be able to afford your iphone 5 next year.
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

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While I don't, in general, agree with what this government is doing.

It's worth pointing out that at least two things the government is doing are designed at least partly with the idea of creating jobs.

These are the building of HS2 (which I seem to remember you complained bitterly about) and the measures to increase lending to first time buyers (which, IIRC, you are complaining about elsewhere on the forum).
Sadly, facts like those will be wasted on Arthur as he's proved countless times before.

Of course, in Arthurblahblah land, cutting corporation tax has nothing to do with creating jobs either.
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

I am trying to say several things.

The government ARE NOT doing anything to create Jobs, The HS2 will go to a foriegn company, as it will be cheaper and they will employ foriegn workers as they are cheaper.

They MUST create jobs, and this is what they are NOT doing, yes l go on and on, but there are thousands of people out there looking for work.

The cioalition are not making it easy by cutting benefits.

I am saying that the ruch must be hit as well, but they are not. If they have made money by business - good, but l am talking about the rich that are getting away without paying taxes.
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

But Arthur, as it was pointed out to you the last time you posted your musings about foreign firms taking all the construction work (re the Olympics), your propositions were sub-optimal interpretations of available information, as major British companies built most of the Olympic infrastructure, so if you were wrong before, it may be, just may be, that you will be wrong again.

Or aren't facts important, only polemic and rhetoric?
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But Arthur, as it was pointed out to you the last time you posted your musings about foreign firms taking all the construction work (re the Olympics), your propositions were sub-optimal interpretations of available information, as major British companies built most of the Olympic infrastructure, so if you were wrong before, it may be, just may be, that you will be wrong again.

Or aren't facts important, only polemic and rhetoric?
Facts are OK as long as they don't contradict Arthur's peculiar form of reasoning.
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

I just give up on this forum, my entire point is that the coalition is doing nothing at all about the fact that companies are leaving this country due to high taxation, employment is NOT being created to ease the pressure off the unemployed.

The coalition is making the whole system that the poor, the vulnerable and the unemployed, will suffer, this is why we pay taxes, and yet people are going to suffer at no fault of there own.

How many companies have gone bust since the coalition have come in, how many recessions have we had since the coalition have come in.

Yes, the contracts may be won by a BRITISH company, but tell me what foreign workers will be taken on ahead of the British workman to save money.

I know of a British builder who has his own business, and he has told me he can employ THREE Polish builders for the price of ONE British Builder as he can pay them LESS than a British guy.
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

It is true when you think about it. they're not doing anything really apart from sorting out the weak in society.
not much mention of anything else really. it's all focused on just that. it's almost like a diversion.

I still say there's a master plan unfolding.
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I know of a British builder who has his own business, and he has told me he can employ THREE Polish builders for the price of ONE British Builder as he can pay them LESS than a British guy.
Surely then, it's his fault if he does that? The government may have made it easier (and it's actually LABOUR that made it easier, the current government have tightened the laws) to employ foreign workers, but they have not forced anyone to do so.
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Re: Poor affected - The Rich not affected again - why?

I am thinking of the poor vulnerable person out there, no fault of their of the own that has to depend on the state to survive on benefits.

They will be hit hard due to this and yet everyone is backing this government on what they are doing. Its not right.

I hope just that when l officially retire in three years time, l don't have to depend on the pension. I have worked for the past 45 years and want to live in a good standard of living with my wife as we both deserve a decent later life, but the way this government is working, my wife has already been told she cannot retire until 66, within the next two years the retirement age will probably go up, so the government wont have to pay us a decent pension.

How can you survive on 145.00 per week for two.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...s-sign-1796787 I know its 7.57

would not even buy him a lunch anywhere he is used to might just stretch to buy a coffee

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lol I would love to see it they always these scam ones where did it 4 days and struggled.

To be fair you might just live on 53 but you will end up long term in health and debt issues.

You would likely fail the JSA rules jobseaking as its completely impossible to fund 40 hour jobsearch. I spent 20 in some weeks job hunting Papers/stationary, stamps/ some cases had to go recorded as deadlines so tight.

Idiots like IDS never done it or been there if had its years ago times money issues changed. He wants JSA online only how does expect it come out of money.

Where is stationary costs coming from this before the gear needed to make person respectable for employment/interviews.

Then there the stuff needed to eat, pay for like electric/gas and bills.

If he can do all that on 53 let him document it show people there errors from front be truthful. No thrills for him no outside help and go through trying get job unsuccessfully to basically show how difficult is for 1 solid year or maybe 2.

He should lead by example infact every MP should afterall they all think its possible let them all try it. Put GPS band on legs monitor 24 hours so not cheating. Crikey our MP's say cant work on the pay they get have to claim stuids like TV licences and all sorts stuff which should come out own pocket.
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