UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Or perhaps you should stop trying to be a smart jackass.

In my enthusiasm to respond to Seph's post, my phrasing was below par.

[jonbxx]

Brexit benefits ahoy! Just had a meeting and our UK order handling team will be moving from the Europe group to the Export group who look after countries like Russia, Saudi Arabia and all of Africa with a 40% increase in headcount included two International Trade Compliance specialists to handle customs issues.

[1andrew1]

More good news.

Global banks are delaying or revising plans to move hundreds of key staff from the City of London to the EU in the coming months, as bankers and traders balk at the prospect of being confined to new post-Brexit outposts if coronavirus travel restrictions intensify.

https://www.ft.com/content/c15d3611-...b-d42636523b8e

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

If Labour or the LibDems came into power, it wouldn't stop you criticising them but it wouldn't mean you didn't accept the result.

I live and work in the UK. I'm not retired with a nice guaranteed pension insulating me from a bad deal. I need BoJo to pull his fingers out and get a great deal with the EU and indeed all the other countries that we trade with.

There are few if any positive things anyone is saying about Brexit right now. All the Leavers I know acknowledge the government is making a pig's ear of negotiations. Even your fellow Berkshire resident has expressed similar views.

My views on Brexit have been clear - I accept it but the government should have delayed the end of the WA as there was insufficient time to get a good deal with the EU and 150 other countries in place by the end of 2020.

When Coronavirus hit the UK, I said it was even more important to delay it so the government could focus on Coronavirus and not end up doing both things badly. You said it could do both and do them well. We've now got one of the worst global death rates, we've suffered the largest recession of all G7 economies, we have no deal yet with the EU and with precious few of the other 150 countries and Scotland wants to leeave the UK. And trading on WTO terms is not yet agreed and is no mere formality.

It's not a great state of affairs, Old Boy.

Perhaps you should wait and see what deal we get, then,Andrew. It is not helpful to have all these ‘noises off’ when attempting delicate negotiations. It was those making the noise last time which empowered the EU to take a tougher line.

As for the coronavirus, that is being covered in another thread and most people I am talking to amongst my contacts have already concluded the same as I have, and with no prompting from me, either!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Perhaps you should wait and see what deal we get, then,Andrew. It is not helpful to have all these ‘noises off’ when attempting delicate negotiations. It was those making the noise last time which empowered the EU to take a tougher line.

As for the coronavirus, that is being covered in another thread and most people I am talking to amongst my contacts have already concluded the same as I have, and with no prompting from me, either!

Flattered as I am, I'm not sure that any posts on this forum will have any impact on negotiations. The only person who empowered the EU last time round was BoJo when he took Leo Varadkar for his now infamous surrender stroll on the Wirral. Then over 20 weeks later he read what he'd signed and panicked!

[1andrew1]

Michael Gove heads to Brussels today amid greater urgency for a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU amid fears over the impact of coronavirus on the economy.

The Cabinet Office Minister will hold talks with the European Commission ahead of the latest round of negotiations which is due to start tomorrow.

Reports yesterday suggested that both the UK and Brussels are prepared to give ground to avoid the double negative economic impact of coronavirus and No Deal at the end of the year.

Lord Frost, the UK's negotiator, and his EU counterpart, Michel Barnier, are said to be preparing to finalise details by the end of this week.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...?ocid=msedgntp

[papa smurf]

Keir Starmer crisis: Labour Party accused of 'looking down on Brexit voters'

LABOUR "looks down" on Brexit voters some in Red Wall seats feel, as an expert has warned leader Keir Starmer he must eradicate his party's "snooty" image.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...ir-starmer-spt

[1andrew1]

Let's hope that as negotiators knuckle down, Boris won't forget what he promised the British people.

Boris Johnson, Telegraph, 26 June 2016 "British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down..There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market."

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Let's hope that as negotiators knuckle down, Boris won't forget what he promised the British people.

Go now to avoid disappointment is my advice.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Go now to avoid disappointment is my advice.

You're possibly right. As he recently forgot his advice on Coronavirus, to expect him to remember something from four years ago is probably, as you might say, pushing the boat out.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You're possibly right. As he recently forgot his advice on Coronavirus, to expect him to remember something from four years ago is probably, as you might say, pushing the boat out.

Andrew it's quite simple 6 inside, six outside ,six upside ,six downside,1 from the left ,2 from the right ,follow local instructions and don't drink after 10pm unless your an MP.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Andrew it's quite simple 6 inside, six outside ,six upside ,six downside,1 from the left ,2 from the right ,follow local instructions and don't drink after 10pm unless your an MP.

Simple when it's explained properly isn't it

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

Simple when it's explained properly isn't it

It's not rocket science [because i can get my head around that] it's just gov scientist babble with hint of bojo

[Sephiroth]

Fascinating article on who can settle the WA dispute now formalised by the EU into legal process.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ute-resolution

A selective quote:

The European Court of Justice (ECJ)

Legal disputes within the EU are typically resolved in national courts and, if substantive issues of EU law arise, ultimately in the ECJ.

The European Commission’s negotiating guidelines say that the ECJ should have jurisdiction in such disputes where an interpretation of EU law could be an issue.

The government’s position is that the mechanism for dispute resolution is “appropriate to a relationship of sovereign equals”. This would seem to preclude the further involvement of the ECJ. However, from the EU’s perspective, there could still be issues in which the jurisdiction of the ECJ might arise. For example, state aid is an area where the EU might insist that the UK incorporate EU law – which would then require the ECJ to interpret.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ)

Some reports suggest that the Withdrawal Agreement could be enforced by the International Court of Justice (ICJ). In theory, the ICJ can enforce any treaty. However, the ICJ is an unlikely forum for dispute resolution in this case, as only states can raise claims at the court. EU institutions would not be able to do so.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Fascinating article on who can settle the WA dispute now formalised by the EU into legal process.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ute-resolution

A selective quote:

Another selective quote.

New body

The UK and EU could set up a new court or arbitration panel to settle disputes. This could involve some combination of UK judges and European judges. The system for dispute resolution for Canada and the EU is along these lines, and both the UK and the EU have suggested such a mechanism for the future UK–EU FTA.