President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

When has it ever been, though? In that sense, it is no different with her, just a lot more justified...

In regards to the recordings, a bunch of states have one party recording laws where they are violations unless both parties consent but that (I think) is just for phone calls not just a call spoken in person but I will have to double check / get back to you on that.

After Watergate it did lead to the WPA and what not, but the biggest issue in communication came from within the issue of whether digitized communication differed from in person. Loads of states (20+) have remedied this but at the federal level it never will be as it requires altering / defining the 4th amendment, which will never be done.

It’s the fact she took a recording device into the White House Situation Room, which is a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, which is an enclosed area within a building that is used to process Sensitive Compartmented Information types of classified information).

It is illegal to do so (I used to work with GCHQ and NSA, and have friends/colleagues who still do, and they have to leave their phones/tablets outside their place of work (in a secure locker)).

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44976725

He and Don Jr both seemed concerned about that but no way does it rise to the level of collusion in any way shape or form, sorry.

Not even close.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

It’s the fact she took a recording device into the White House Situation Room, which is a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility, which is an enclosed area within a building that is used to process Sensitive Compartmented Information types of classified information).

It is illegal to do so (I used to work with GCHQ and NSA, and have friends/colleagues who still do, and they have to leave their phones/tablets outside their place of work (in a secure locker)).

The problem is that she may not have taken a "recording device" and just a phone and ripped it off her phone...in the security room it has a notice that says "please check your phone" but that is it.

Also to be in an SCIF area you generally need a TSI or above clearance and if that is so then she either was not vetted correctly and or is in violation of her duties / or she shouldn't be in the situation room, in the first place.

(Hubby spent like a decade in national security...he couldn't just whisk me into the SR unless I was pre cleared - or so he says lol).

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Originally Posted by Mick

Even I have to agree calling an ex-Aide a "dog" is highly inappropriate and far from presidential, although I am not surprised that Trump is more unhinged these days, after the constant attacks from every angle and plus, he is getting over confident attacking the Russia investigation, attacking Jeff Sessions at least twice in the last few week, he if he is not careful he will give Mueller the ammunition he needs to put a case forward for Obstruction of Justice by constantly attacking the DOJ and the people involved in the investigation.

Bingo...his mouth seems to be his own worst enemy in regards to Sessions etc.

Don't think that calling her dog is really an issue in the larger scheme of things though. If he had called her a "dawg" his detractors would have accused him of being a racist. If he said she was rabid in her words, how would that have been any different?

She is a piece of filth and has always been one.

Is it Presidential to call her a dog? Who cares.

One thing is for sure - it's just going to get more wacky over there with the Mid-Terms coming up, it will be like the 2016 Presidential election all over again, fresh accusations, new scandals that have been potentially saved to nearer the time and it's not as if we can get away from the bullshit over here with the scare stories on Brexit, they will increase tenfold as well as Brexit day draws near.

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by Damien

Trump calls a lot of people dog for some reason, it's one of his phrases.

Her actions were very inappropriate. Apparently it wasn't illegal which itself is bizarre. Taping inside the situation room?! It's an egregious national security risk. Not to mention how is anyone meant to govern if they can't speak candidly just in case one of their co-workers is recording them?

She was well out of line.

Trump certainly deserves some blame too since it was never clear what on earth her credentials were to work in the White House other than she was on TV with him. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

The language of the Tweet won't be a problem for him, people are used to that. The hiring decision won't be a problem, people are used to that too. The real question is if any of these tapes exist. The racial one was rumoured in the run up to the election in 2016. However you always get these rumours during an election. In the run up to the 2012 election the internet had this big rumour of Michelle Obama using racist words which never came up.

So we'll see. At the moment the bigger story to me is the national security issue.

*Applauds*

Outstanding post - absolutely spot on.

This is weird, it is an issue that seems to have some of his supporters saying that he messed up and a majority of his detractors supporting him, over her.

I am not supporting him as much as saying her recording in the situation room is a bigger story than this tweet. If any of these tapes service maybe they'll be a bigger story but who knows.

[Chloé Palmas]

To be honest with the high court vacancy with Kennedy calling it quits, Trump's nominee to the high court is incredibly important.

So for now, I don't care if he goes and eats a dog on live TV and then calls it fake news. All that matters is that we get Roe overturned.

[Lutherf]

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

He and Don Jr both seemed concerned about that but no way does it rise to the level of collusion in any way shape or form, sorry.

Not even close.

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The problem is that she may not have taken a "recording device" and just a phone and ripped it off her phone...in the security room it has a notice that says "please check your phone" but that is it.

Also to be in an SCIF area you generally need a TSI or above clearance and if that is so then she either was not vetted correctly and or is in violation of her duties / or she shouldn't be in the situation room, in the first place.

(Hubby spent like a decade in national security...he couldn't just whisk me into the SR unless I was pre cleared - or so he says lol).

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Bingo...his mouth seems to be his own worst enemy in regards to Sessions etc.

Don't think that calling her dog is really an issue in the larger scheme of things though. If he had called her a "dawg" his detractors would have accused him of being a racist. If he said she was rabid in her words, how would that have been any different?

She is a piece of filth and has always been one.

Is it Presidential to call her a dog? Who cares.

This story, like most others, is part of the "anything to smear Trump" media campaign. Yes, Trump says a lot of controversial stuff. He's created a whole brand around being brash and controversial. That he's US president now isn't so much a commentary on him as it is on how frustrated Americans are with professional politicians. Many Americans are simply sick and tired of typical politicians that pat you on the back with one hand and pick your pocket with the other. They generally see Trump as a "straight shooter" who, while far from diplomatic, isn't there to screw them or stab them in the back.

With specific regard to Omarosa, she's writing a book and likely planned to write a book from day one. This kind of publicity is priceless when it comes to selling that book. Maybe she'll take a slap on the wrist for recording in the Situation Room but that aspect alone is probably good for another million copies sold.

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

To be honest with the high court vacancy with Kennedy calling it quits, Trump's nominee to the high court is incredibly important.

So for now, I don't care if he goes and eats a dog on live TV and then calls it fake news. All that matters is that we get Roe overturned.

The ends justifies the means, eh?

[Chloé Palmas]

Hardly...I am just saying that for now I am happy to let things slide so that Kavanaugh can be confirmed (the most qualified nominee of my lifetime) and then if there are legitimate gripes then they can be addressed later.

In this specific instance though, there isn't one - she can go take a running jump.

She is doing what even Hillary Clinton couldn't manage.

Making me sympathetic towards Donald Trump.

Sarah Sanders today said she "can't guarantee" there is no tape of Trump saying a racial slur. Obviously she could just be protecting herself but it seems either his staff, or the lot of them, think it might be out there.

Personally I don't think it would have been kept under wraps this long. It would be amazing if such a thing existed, was in the hands of someone outside of Team Trump, and not be released before the election.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Lutherf

This story, like most others, is part of the "anything to smear Trump" media campaign. Yes, Trump says a lot of controversial stuff. He's created a whole brand around being brash and controversial. That he's US president now isn't so much a commentary on him as it is on how frustrated Americans are with professional politicians. Many Americans are simply sick and tired of typical politicians that pat you on the back with one hand and pick your pocket with the other. They generally see Trump as a "straight shooter" who, while far from diplomatic, isn't there to screw them or stab them in the back.

With specific regard to Omarosa, she's writing a book and likely planned to write a book from day one. This kind of publicity is priceless when it comes to selling that book. Maybe she'll take a slap on the wrist for recording in the Situation Room but that aspect alone is probably good for another million copies sold.

Latest theory on the Trump Tower meeting. "A Democrat setup".

https://www.realclearinvestigations....e_a_setup.html

[Chloé Palmas]

Originally Posted by Damien

Sarah Sanders today said she "can't guarantee" there is no tape of Trump saying a racial slur. Obviously she could just be protecting herself but it seems either his staff, or the lot of them, think it might be out there.

Personally I don't think it would have been kept under wraps this long. It would be amazing if such a thing existed, was in the hands of someone outside of Team Trump, and not be released before the election.

Yeah, I don't think it does either. That being said, the AH tapes practically got the man elected so you never know, people might be worried about this helping Trump.

One thing...I don't get this at all. If she wanted to do so much to get Trump, why did she not talk about this, explain what happened and then let everyone ridicule her / claim that it is fake news. Then release the tapes after a few days. This way, it just looks like she claims that they said it, they did, she shoes the proof and simultaneously comes off as the bad guy at the same time....wtf?

Any ideas, anyone?

Originally Posted by Chloé Palmas

Yeah, I don't think it does either. That being said, the AH tapes practically got the man elected so you never know, people might be worried about this helping Trump.

I don't think the other tapes helped him they just didn't hurt him that much. I would say the same here but while his supporters may overlook it I think it would further damage him with people who voted for him but don't like him.

[Chloé Palmas]

Yeah that's why I thought that the original lot would do so much good - everyone who was voting for him lacked enthusiasm / was only doing it because he was running against Hillary etc.

This gave them the "enthusiasm" factor. I have posted most of my links to predictions here before but this one would be horrendously offensive. (It basically states that the perfect motivational drive for nationalists who liked Trump was some good ole fashioned sexual deviancy, and, he won! Luther cleaned most of it up - I used to be quite an angry poster back in the day lol)

I do agree that this won't help him win over any converts but my basic theory was that he would never win re-election unless he ran against Hillary again...I think that is still accurate but he has done some things to offset that, which may turn out the base.

He is doing some good things (tax cuts / SC nominees / Jerusalem etc) so in that sense Luther is spot on - DC needed a shake up because establishment Republicans would never managed to have achieved that without such an outsider!!!





Don't worry I am not trolling him - he picks at me way more than I ever pick at him!

[Chloé Palmas]

So, just to carry on with this nonsense with one special little kook...even Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert roasted her, and they hate Trump. First, Kimmel:

With Omarosa Manigault Newman in the news again thanks to the release of her tell-all book and bizarre behavior, late night host Jimmy Kimmel is reminiscing about the time she fled the building before a scheduled appearance on his show.
In April 2004 Manigault Newman was set to sit down with Kimmel on “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” However, before the host had his chance to interview her, she left the studio, he said.

I really need to change back to the basic editor.

“I remember thinking it’s better this way,” Kimmel recalled. “I didn’t want to have her on the show. The woman — there’s clearly something wrong with her. And the fact that Donald Trump hired her is really all you need to know about that guy and his organization.”
The host said it was preposterous for Manigault Newman to think that she was being given a surprise polygraph test, since the tests take time and analysis before results can be interpreted.
“But she stormed out of there and the show was live, so we had no guest,” he recalled. “She was very angry.”
He added: “I’m sure there was plenty that she was trying to hide.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...uin-trump.html

Now this was long before the nonsense with tapes about Trump came about, and then Stephen Colbert had a 10 min monologue on her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsTK4CUzPb8

I can't even begin to start linking to every single black person who has come out and said stuff to the effect of...well have a read:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...-against-trump

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/many-bl...rump-1.4054355

I am not going to start linking to individual(s) all calling her out for being a waste of time, space and energy but my God, she is uniting the entire country against her. She even had to admit that she was complicit in some of the behavior of Trump along the way and clearly she is not going to sell many books - no matter how much they hate Trump, people are not going to buy her book.

What a complete failure of a woman.