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Old Yesterday, 21:18   #1711
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

The Ronald Reagan appointed Judge in the Manafort trial, T.S Ellis has received death threats, this is how far and unhinged some have become on the left - this case has absolutely nothing to do with Russian collusion, Manafort is being tried on some historical alleged tax fraud crimes... and he the Judge in the case is getting threats to the point he is now requiring Federal protection. This is utterly bloody sad.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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The Ronald Reagan appointed Judge in the Manafort trial, T.S Ellis has received death threats, this is how far and unhinged some have become on the left - this case has absolutely nothing to do with Russian collusion, Manafort is being tried on some historical alleged tax fraud crimes... and he the Judge in the case is getting threats to the point he is now requiring Federal protection. This is utterly bloody sad.
I cant find any sources that say the threats to the judge are from the left- do you have any links, please?

All the (numerous) links I have found just say "threats", with no specific group mentioned.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/17/judg...hreatened.html

https://nypost.com/2018/08/17/manafo...-jurors-names/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...hreats-n901731

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...over-case.html
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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There is nothing to say the Judge wouldn't have named them after the trial was finished had he accepted the motion.

Exactly - after! He chose not through the trial and what did the media do? Try find out, anyway.

That is disgraceful.

It's not uncommon to request the information. It is to refuse the answer being "no".

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This was a routine attempt to make the list known and the judge rejected on security fears. If you Google around you see the media has many examples of these petitions which sometimes are granted and sometimes not.
Oh totally - but once the request has been rejected that is usually it. He was correct to refuse the request (or at least it was totally his prerogative), the press and everyone else need to respect that instead of putting more pressure on the judge / jurors etc.

If, (and only if ) the judge decides to unseal at the end of the trial that is his prerogative. That is all there is to it unless upon appeal the information is disclosed. Juror's are free to do as they please at the end of the trial.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Exactly - after! He chose not through the trial and what did the media do? Try find out, anyway

That is disgraceful.

It's not uncommon to request the information. It is to refuse the answer being "no".
What? He said no after they made the motion.
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They're still digging to get what they can though...they can't seem to leave it alone for whatever reason. I don't even see the point - they're (the jury that is) going to come back with guilty verdicts.
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I can’t find any sources that say the threats to the judge are from the ‘left’- do you have any links, please?

All the (numerous) links I have found just say "threats", with no specific group mentioned.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/17/judg...hreatened.html

https://nypost.com/2018/08/17/manafo...-jurors-names/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...hreats-n901731

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...over-case.html
Come on Hugh - this is the Clinton News Networks in America (Predominantly left leaning) they are not going to blame their own side for the threats now are they.

The Conservatives on the right, are not going to threaten a Conservative Judge.

Some of the left have shown themselves to be psychotic... they are capable of such a thing.
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Come on Hugh - this is the Clinton News Networks in America (Predominantly left leaning) they are not going to blame their own side for the threats now are they.

The Conservatives on the right, are not going to threaten a Conservative Judge.

Some of the left have shown themselves to be psychotic... they are capable of such a thing.
All we have is what the Judge says which have been reported by a wide range of outlets.

It's also feasible that Trump fans who believe this is rigged would send threats to the judge just as it's feasible anti-Trump people will threaten him on the risk Manafort is not guilt. Some on the right have shown themselves to be psychotic too.

We just don't know. We might as well wait to see if we ever do.
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It wasn't the left who caused a guy to walk into a pizza place with a gun because of conspiracies he saw. The internet is full of nasty, angry people irrespective of the political divide they are on.
I didn't say it was "the left". I said it was the media. Granted, a lot of the media leans politically to the left but what we are seeing is the result of a media (social as well as broadcast) driven political frenzy.

We've got a lot of people today who are drawn to media like moths to a flame. The can't get enough of the intrigue and drama that's being spread. That happens on both sides. Media figured out a long time ago that appeals to emotion draw viewers and their advertisers tend to like viewer numbers. Therefore we have "news" media that spends less time telling the story and more time telling stories about the story.

The problem is that some people can't handle the drama. They get overwhelmed and do horrible things. Sometimes they shoot up a pizza parlor and sometimes they shoot up a congressional baseball practice. The jurors in this case are at risk from fanatics from both political ideologies.
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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

So a few days ago, Peter Strzok was fired by the FBI (just like McCabe) and even though this is not "materially" relevant to the 2016 election probe (as he had been re-assigned before hand) I think that it is pertinent to show a clear pattern of bad behavior from those investigating...in fact his behavior pre dates the issue of counsel in fact. Clearly Muller will be disappointed ; he has a very tight ship but somehow / some way along the line his professionalism has come under fire from the presence of the likes of Strzok etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45173015

There is some dispute as to whether or not the agency followed protocol or not:

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He said the sacking overruled a decision by the head of FBI employee discipline, who determined that Mr Strzok should only face a demotion and a 60-day suspension.
"The decision to fire Special Agent Strzok is not only a departure from typical Bureau practice, but also contradicts Director [Christopher] Wray's testimony to Congress and his assurances that the FBI intended to follow its regular process in this and all personnel matters," Mr Goelman said in a statement on Monday.
Now clearly his own attorney is not an unbiased enough source ; he is clearly going to side with strzok but this does break rank with Christopher Wray's statement upon confirmation regarding personnel matters. (Regular order etc)

Of course the main ethical issue at hand (and most notable case) in the public eye, was of course his affair with Lisa Page, seen here:




The texts between the two and their apparent conspiring in trying to stop Trump is what the death nail was for well...Peter anyway:
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Mr Strzok exchanged text messages that disparaged Mr Trump with FBI lawyer Lisa Page, with whom he was having an affair.
In one exchange, Ms Page asks: Trump is "not ever going to become president, right? Right?!"
Mr Strzok responds: "No. No he won't. We'll stop it."
Page has subsequently been sent elsewhere since McCabe was fired so that is now adding to the tally of folks with bad behavior through the probe. (And what has been revealed as a consequence).
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Come on Hugh - this is the Clinton News Networks in America (Predominantly left leaning) they are not going to blame their own side for the threats now are they.

The Conservatives on the right, are not going to threaten a Conservative Judge.

Some of the left have shown themselves to be psychotic... they are capable of such a thing.
Fox News is left leaning?

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So a few days ago, Peter Strzok was fired by the FBI (just like McCabe) and even though this is not "materially" relevant to the 2016 election probe (as he had been re-assigned before hand) I think that it is pertinent to show a clear pattern of bad behavior from those investigating...in fact his behavior pre dates the issue of counsel in fact. Clearly Muller will be disappointed ; he has a very tight ship but somehow / some way along the line his professionalism has come under fire from the presence of the likes of Strzok etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45173015

There is some dispute as to whether or not the agency followed protocol or not:


Now clearly his own attorney is not an unbiased enough source ; he is clearly going to side with strzok but this does break rank with Christopher Wray's statement upon confirmation regarding personnel matters. (Regular order etc)

Of course the main ethical issue at hand (and most notable case) in the public eye, was of course his affair with Lisa Page, seen here:




The texts between the two and their apparent conspiring in trying to stop Trump is what the death nail was for well...Peter anyway:

Page has subsequently been sent elsewhere since McCabe was fired so that is now adding to the tally of folks with bad behavior through the probe. (And what has been revealed as a consequence).
Strange how no one focuses on the Republican bias in the New York FBI office when active and retired FBI officers which fed Guilani information leading up to the election.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JE2ZH
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In this case there is a real danger to the jurors. The media (in particular the bloc that coordinated with the Clinton campaign through Podesta) have raised the level of political vitriol to a level I have never seen before. Add in a little social media insanity, season with self righteous "investigative reporting" and you've got the recipe for disaster. Even though this trial really has nothing to do with Trump the media has dragged it into that cesspool and the participants are at risk.
Let's not forget the prime originator of this environment. Trump, with his social media narrative of alternative truth and media condemnation sets the scene for the new levels of vitriol as you put it.

If you put out a narrative that ignores and twists reality then you will end up with a new set of rules.
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Fox News is left leaning?

---------- Post added at 10:00 ---------- Previous post was at 09:46 ----------

Strange how no one focuses on the Republican bias in the New York FBI office when active and retired FBI officers which fed Guilani information leading up to the election.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JE2ZH
That proves nothing. The Democrats are the ones here, who colluded with Russian folk via Fusion GPS and Steele. The Corrupted DNC and Crooked Hillary paid for the Fake Russian Dossier. Then the Obama DOJ tried to stop a Trump Presidency, with Strzok’s ‘insurance policy’ and ‘we’ll stop him.” text when asked by his lover if Trump will ever become President.

President Obama appears to lie on national tv, saying he does not speak to the FBI on any pending cases. period, yet there is text messages, from Strzok saying he wants to know everything he’s doing.

A second special prosecutor is required and the current one investigating the DNC Hoax and political witch hunt, needs to be fired.

And you know exactly what news organisations are left leaning that I was on about. I stand by my assertion that it’s folk on the left who are threatening the Judge.
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