U.S Election 2020 - Page 15

**Maggy** · 23-09-2020, 10:31

Now how about some links about Trumps state of mind and acuity levels? Just for balance.

papa smurf · 23-09-2020, 10:49

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Originally Posted by Maggy

Now how about some links about Trumps state of mind and acuity levels? Just for balance.

Is your browser broken.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whit...ry?id=71049289

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-us...-idUKKBN1XR0B8

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...-twitter-visit
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...19-2?r=US&IR=T

downquark1 · 23-09-2020, 12:13

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Originally Posted by Damien

You would think the best scenario is the nominee isn't confirmed before the election as a way to drive turn out. Trump can say 'vote for me and you'll get another right-wing justice, abortion might go'.

Obviously even if that goes wrong and the Democrats take both the Senate and the White House they'll just confirm the justice in the lame duck session.

That is what many have said but it works the other way too. The democrats can say "vote for us and we won't kill Roe V Wade". If Trump puts an appointment on he demoralised the democrats and has an ally if the election is contested.

**Damien** · 23-09-2020, 12:41

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Originally Posted by downquark1

That is what many have said but it works the other way too. The democrats can say "vote for us and we won't kill Roe V Wade". If Trump puts an appointment on he demoralised the democrats and has an ally if the election is contested.

True but the Democrats are pretty motivated anyway.

As for Row vs Wade, I was reading the other way about how pro-choice activists have long suspected its time would come and have been preparing alternative campaigns including funding programs to get people in blue states in which the overturning of Row Vs Wade would not override the state's rights to allow abortion.

But with Row vs Wade gone then I don't think there is anything stopping Trump and the Republicans going for a federal ban. So the Democrats will be motivated to vote knowing the Supreme Court might overturn the ban on aborition and it'll only be the White House and the House that can stop it becoming illegal across the states.

Also remember that the last parts of Obamacare, such as preventing insurance companies from not taking on people with pre-existing conditions, might be jettisoned by the Supreme Court too.

downquark1 · 23-09-2020, 12:45

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Originally Posted by Damien

True but the Democrats are pretty motivated anyway.

As for Row vs Wade, I was reading the other way about how pro-choice activists have long suspected its time would come and have been preparing alternative campaigns including funding programs to get people in blue states in which the overturning of Row Vs Wade would not override the state's rights to allow abortion.

But with Row vs Wade gone then I don't think there is anything stopping Trump and the Republicans going for a federal ban. So the Democrats will be motivated to vote knowing the Supreme Court might overturn the ban on aborition and it'll only be the White House and the House that can stop it becoming illegal across the states.

Also remember that the last parts of Obamacare, such as preventing insurance companies from not taking on people with pre-existing conditions, might be jettisoned by the Supreme Court too.

I believe very little will actually change on the abortion front I'm just saying that democrats will claim it is.

I don't really see the supreme court doing more against Obama Care either.

**Damien** · 23-09-2020, 12:55

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Originally Posted by downquark1

I believe very little will actually change on the abortion front I'm just saying that democrats will claim it is.

If they think the time is right after getting one more justice on the court whose to say but it is an eventual goal of the Republicans. There is no way for example Trump isn't going to nominate someone who Republicans suspect won't vote their way.

This isn't a Democratic slur on the Republicans. The Republicans will themselves tell you they want a near-total ban with the argument being exactly which cases are exempt (mostly life of the mother). It's a big part of their platform.

downquark1 · 23-09-2020, 13:01

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Originally Posted by Damien

If they think the time is right after getting one more justice on the court whose to say but it is an eventual goal of the Republicans. There is no way for example Trump isn't going to nominate someone who Republicans suspect won't vote their way.

This isn't a Democratic slur on the Republicans. The Republicans will themselves tell you they want a near-total ban with the argument being exactly which cases are exempt (mostly life of the mother). It's a big part of their platform.

Pro-life republicans are very vocal but I don't believe they control as much of Republican policy as that. If Roe Vs Wade falls, most states will not ban abortion and there may even be support for a legislative law on the federal level.

Remember Roe Vs Wade is a modern aberration and not really how law is suppose to be made in the first place.

**Maggy** · 23-09-2020, 17:23

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Is your browser broken.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/whit...ry?id=71049289

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-us...-idUKKBN1XR0B8

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...-twitter-visit
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...19-2?r=US&IR=T

No just trying to get folk to stop making flat statements without any proof. To actually debate.

**Maggy** · 24-09-2020, 13:15

Also when did it become de rigueur for folk to post a statement and expect others to do the research?

**Mick** · 24-09-2020, 17:24

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Can you give a link or two about Biden's mentally not being there?

You clearly have not read this thread.

I’ve posted several YouTube vids in this thread of him losing his mental state and his shitty memory.

I’m shocked 😱 at the silence from Hugh on Biden’s son, Hunter Biden allegedly accepting millions of dollars from Russians with links to sex trafficking when Joe Biden was Vice President during Obama’s presidency, nothing improper about this at all.

downquark1 · 24-09-2020, 17:28

I think Trump is also slower than his youth but Biden seems to be definitely having bad days.

**Maggy** · 24-09-2020, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Mick

You clearly have not read this thread.

I’ve posted several YouTube vids in this thread of him losing his mental state and his shitty memory.

I’m shocked 😱 at the silence from Hugh on Biden’s son, Hunter Biden allegedly accepting millions of dollars from Russians with links to sex trafficking when Joe Biden was Vice President during Obama’s presidency, nothing improper about this at all.

Fine. I'm just asking both sides to offer proof not just make flat statements.

Sephiroth · 24-09-2020, 18:02

I'm no Trump fan - I think he's a conniving pig.

But I turned a smile when he said "I wish Harry luck - he's going to need it".

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...jibe-elections

**Damien** · 24-09-2020, 19:07

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...ry?id=73205708

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President Donald Trump declined to commit to a peaceful transfer of power following November's election during a press conference on Wednesday.

Asked if he will leave the White House peacefully, if he loses the election, Trump responded, "Well, we're going to have to see what happens. You know that."

What can actually be done if a President refuses to concede?

jfman · 24-09-2020, 19:22

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Originally Posted by Damien

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...ry?id=73205708

What can actually be done if a President refuses to concede?

There’s actually a nightmare scenario where state Governors and Legislatures endorse different sets of results for their states giving different electoral college outcomes.

All ends up in the House of Representatives.