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Old 22-06-2021, 11:38   #1456
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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The EU is trying to ban/reduce UK TV and film content from Europe’s screens.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...aign=DM1446704

Doesn’t Russia, China and N Korea resort to that stuff? “Our friends in Europe” are definitely the enemy. Gloves need to come off and the public should be made aware that there are better friends available with whom we can spend our money.

Remainers - what do you say to the latest EU wheeze? They are the enemy.
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Meh, the Audiovisual Media Services Directive sets quotas for how much EU sourced Video on Demand media should be present in an effort to preserve the cultural identity of member states and promote domestic media production. As we voted to leave, we no longer fall under the Audiovisual Media Services Directive so UK sourced media falls in to the same category as US based media.

Just a consequence of leaving the Single Market. Difficult to get too excited...

Only for video on demand mind you, For broadcast, different rules apply (European Convention on Transfrontier Television)
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Old 22-06-2021, 11:58   #1457
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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The EU is trying to ban/reduce UK TV and film content from Europe’s screens.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...aign=DM1446704

Doesn’t Russia, China and N Korea resort to that stuff? “Our friends in Europe” are definitely the enemy. Gloves need to come off and the public should be made aware that there are better friends available with whom we can spend our money.

Remainers - what do you say to the latest EU wheeze? They are the enemy.

It's what you voted for Seph.

In simple terms. The UK has left the EU. British content is likely to no longer qualify as European content for the purposes of the quotas that EU broadcasters have to abide by after a future review scheduled in 2024.
Brexit has been described as a slowly deflating tyre and this type of thing supports that description and also flags a potential reduction in our soft power.

It would be good if the UK could negotiate on this issue but I suspect we might just see more English language content with British actors made in Ireland and elsewhere in the EU.

Non-paywalled links here:
Original exclusive article from The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...m-shown-brexit

Subsequent articles:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bu...it-1234971245/
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2021...adcast-quotas/

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Old 22-06-2021, 12:47   #1458
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Meh, the Audiovisual Media Services Directive sets quotas for how much EU sourced Video on Demand media should be present in an effort to preserve the cultural identity of member states and promote domestic media production. As we voted to leave, we no longer fall under the Audiovisual Media Services Directive so UK sourced media falls in to the same category as US based media.

Just a consequence of leaving the Single Market. Difficult to get too excited...

Only for video on demand mind you, For broadcast, different rules apply (European Convention on Transfrontier Television)
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Well, apart from the obvious retribution that EU is intent on inflicting on the UK, this is sheer hypocrisy on their part.

As their directive is intended to preserve the cultural identity of the member states, and they are so sincere in wishing that we'd remained, now the UK is a cultural alien.

This is one of the areas of discretion that they have - but little/no doubt that France and VdL are driving this as a matter of retribution.

There is very little if any justification of staying in the EU with such nasties. Matter of principle, imo.

So you Remainers, in "we told you so" or "you voted for it" mode should really be standing up for the UK.

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Old 22-06-2021, 13:01   #1459
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Re: Britain outside the EU

Oh so true. What's changed in UK output that it is now creaturely alien to the EU?
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Old 22-06-2021, 13:07   #1460
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Re: Britain outside the EU

Other industries besides fishing, agriculture and broadcasting are starting to face Brexit reality.

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Michelin-star restaurant stops serving lunch due to lack of staff

A Michelin-star restaurant has said it will no longer open at lunchtimes due to a shortage of staff.

David Moore, the founder of Pied à Terre in London, said he decided to halt the restaurant's lunchtime menu to "preserve" his depleted workforce....

Mr Moore said Brexit was "definitely the biggest" factor behind staff shortages, and he said the "heartbeat" of the hospitality industry was "young kids" coming from abroad to work in restaurants and bars to gain life experience and new skills.

"[The government] don't realise the huge commodity we have that they have excluded us from, that keeps this industry moving more than anything else," he said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57555608

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UK Steel director-general Gareth Stace said the proposal was “a hammer blow to the UK steel sector and to the many thousands it employs”. He warned the measures would leave the UK “a magnet for huge volumes of steel imports”.

“The recommendation by TRID to remove huge elements of the protection steel manufacturers require against import surges is madness and one that needs to be urgently rethought,” he said. He called on the government, which will consult on the proposed measures, to extend existing steel safeguarding measures for three additional years.

“It is beyond worrying to consider the damage this could do to the UK steel sector and its long-term viability,” he added, pointing out that the US and EU had maintained their import restrictions on steel products.
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Old 22-06-2021, 13:17   #1461
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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Other industries besides fishing, agriculture and broadcasting are starting to face Brexit reality.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57555608


https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/g...up-21-05-2021/
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He said before the pandemic, just three out of his 30-strong workforce were British. His restaurant currently has 12 staff.


He said some workers who were furloughed during lockdown had moved back to their home nations and decided not to come back to the UK.


"Anecdotally, I have a lot of pals saying they are opening up restaurants and they are expecting their 18 employees to come back and only 12 turn up," The Pied à Terre founder said.


"They don't say anything because they don't want to lose their furlough, so they don't mention anything until the last minute."


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According to UK Hospitality, 1.3m foreign workers left the UK during the pandemic.


Kate Nicholls, chief executive of UK Hospitality, said labour shortages appeared to be a "perennial problem" which had been "aggravated further by many foreign workers not returning to the UK, either because of travel restrictions or their ability to resume work in the UK".


COVID played a very large part.
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COVID played a very large part.
No one's denying that Covid was a factor.

However Mr Moore said Brexit was "definitely the biggest" factor behind staff shortages,

I would expect him to know his sector better than us.

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Oh so true. What's changed in UK output that it is now creaturely alien to the EU?
It's not the output that's changed, it's the fact that we're not an EU member so may not qualify from 2024.

A bit like the oft-quoted metaphor about expecting to play on a golf course after having cancelled your membership.
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It's not the output that's changed, it's the fact that we're not an EU member so may not qualify from 2024.

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Typical Remainer sour cucumber. Sorry Andrew. Your real attack should be on the EU's hypocrisy. But all you can do is to justify their behaviour simply because 52% voted to leave the EU.
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Re: Britain outside the EU

I’m not sure what all the hand-wringing is about here. Uncontrolled mass immigration might have brought about a golden age for sectors that thrive on the low wage environment you can only get from severe over-supply of labour but that is not good in the long term for the British labour force.

Brexit is not a slowly-deflating tyre - it’s cold turkey, breaking the hospitality industry’s addiction to an endless supply of cheap labour that’s prepared to put up with crap working conditions because they don’t intend to stick around for long. There are already encouraging signs of change in the BBC version of the report - restaurateurs realising they’re going to have to improve pay. It’s not enough though. Unpredictable hours, excessive use of part-time staff and all the other stuff you can only get away with when you know high staff turnover isn’t a real problem ... it all has to go. There’s a long road ahead, but there are immense opportunities here for owners who are prepared to invest in stable, well-trained and remunerated jobs. Meanwhile, those who will only obsess over where they’re getting their next fix of cheap, super-flexible (and exploitable) workers from, are going to land up in trouble.
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Typical Remainer sour cucumber. Sorry Andrew. Your real attack should be on the EU's hypocrisy. But all you can do is to justify their behaviour simply because 52% voted to leave the EU.
It's not hypocritical to accept that British content is unlikely to count as European content for the purposes of EU quotas, as we've actually left the EU. It's called facing up to reality and moving on. Sorry, Seph, but that's what you need to do.
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Well, apart from the obvious retribution that EU is intent on inflicting on the UK, this is sheer hypocrisy on their part.

As their directive is intended to preserve the cultural identity of the member states, and they are so sincere in wishing that we'd remained, now the UK is a cultural alien.

This is one of the areas of discretion that they have - but little/no doubt that France and VdL are driving this as a matter of retribution.

There is very little if any justification of staying in the EU with such nasties. Matter of principle, imo.

So you Remainers, in "we told you so" or "you voted for it" mode should really be standing up for the UK.

Why do you seem to think we have some god given right to retain the benefits that came as part of our membership of the EU when we're no longer members ?

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I’m not sure what all the hand-wringing is about here. Uncontrolled mass immigration might have brought about a golden age for sectors that thrive on the low wage environment you can only get from severe over-supply of labour but that is not good in the long term for the British labour force.

Brexit is not a slowly-deflating tyre - it’s cold turkey, breaking the hospitality industry’s addiction to an endless supply of cheap labour that’s prepared to put up with crap working conditions because they don’t intend to stick around for long. There are already encouraging signs of change in the BBC version of the report - restaurateurs realising they’re going to have to improve pay. It’s not enough though. Unpredictable hours, excessive use of part-time staff and all the other stuff you can only get away with when you know high staff turnover isn’t a real problem ... it all has to go. There’s a long road ahead, but there are immense opportunities here for owners who are prepared to invest in stable, well-trained and remunerated jobs. Meanwhile, those who will only obsess over where they’re getting their next fix of cheap, super-flexible (and exploitable) workers from, are going to land up in trouble.
Fair comment, i actually i believe that most of the issues in the hospitality trade are originating from Covid as opposed to Brexit, I think furlough has caused many to question if they want to continue working in the conditions you've described above.
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It's not hypocritical to accept that British content is unlikely to count as European content for the purposes of EU quotas, as we've actually left the EU. It's called facing up to reality and moving on. Sorry, Seph, but that's what you need to do.
It's the EU that is being hypocritical. We are right, not hypocritical, to object to their programme of punishment.

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Why do you seem to think we have some god given right to retain the benefits that came as part of our membership of the EU when we're no longer members ?
I never said it was a God given right nor implied it. I'm attacking their hypocrisy, their retributive nature and their sheer unfriendliness. Boris needs to lay off pretending they're our friends. They are the enemy.
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It's the EU that is being hypocritical. We are right, not hypocritical, to object to their programme of punishment.

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I never said it was a God given right nor implied it. I'm attacking their hypocrisy, their retributive nature and their sheer unfriendliness. Boris needs to lay off pretending they're our friends. They are the enemy.
Do this rule only apply to the UK ? or does it apply to other non EU members?
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It's the EU that is being hypocritical. We are right, not hypocritical, to object to their programme of punishment.
It's not punishment it's what you and 52% of the UK voted for. You're playing victim mode. If you care so strongly about UK content not being regarded the same as EU content then you should expend your energy in getting the UK to rejoin the EU.

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Do this rule only apply to the UK ? or does it apply to other non EU members?
You would think so given the bleating by the Telegraph but no, it applies to any country outside the EU. The UK currently qualifies as it's on a list but this list will be reviewed in 2024. It is likely not to as it has left the EU.
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Again, I’m not sure what the problem is here. The single market is the single biggest protectionist operation on the planet. There are benefits to trading within it, but for a major world economy with global connections and a deeply embedded international outlook, those benefits may well be eclipsed by the restrictions that come with it. That was one of the calculations inherent in any intelligent approach to the referendum vote. I, and many others in the oldest Brexiteer constituency (that which took form after Thatcher’s famous Bruges speech) long believed that in the round, it was not in the UK’s interest to remain tied to the single market. No single example of disadvantage brought about by our exit from the bloc changes the overall calculus.
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