Labour hold Batley & Spen by 323 votes

[OLD BOY]

Giving up now sounds like a plan!

[jfman]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Eton educated toff that's related to two separate royal households and calls 250k a year chicken feed, I'm really sure the common man can relate to that. Imo labour have had a let off here, they need to use the time this result has bought to construct a clear and concise message that resonates or give up now

The Establishment successfully built the Bumbling Boris relatable image for Boris with Have I Got News for You appearances and TV presenters are more relatable than former Directors of Public Prosecutions. Add in some nationalism and the Tories are talking to some “common” people about what they care about on top of their existing base.

The fact they shouldn’t care about these things to the extent they do (in the eyes of Labour) is irrelevant. The message resonates and Labour don’t have a better one. Corbyn ironically did.

[1andrew1]

One thing to bear in mind is that the Conservatives' track record in winning elections is far far better than Labour's. Since 1918, the Conservatives have won 19 times and Labour eight.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Giving up now sounds like a plan!

Yeah why don't you do that

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

One thing to bear in mind is that the Conservatives' track record in winning elections is far far better than Labour's. Since 1918, the Conservatives have won 19 times and Labour eight.

Of course it helps when on average you need 38000 votes if your a perspective Conservative MP and 50000 odd to become a Labour MP and the rest need hundreds of thousands to return one, this much heralded democracy certain people keep banging on about isn't all that and certainly isn't reflective of the people

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Originally Posted by jfman

The Establishment successfully built the Bumbling Boris relatable image for Boris with Have I Got News for You appearances and TV presenters are more relatable than former Directors of Public Prosecutions. Add in some nationalism and the Tories are talking to some “common” people about what they care about on top of their existing base.

The fact they shouldn’t care about these things to the extent they do (in the eyes of Labour) is irrelevant. The message resonates and Labour don’t have a better one. Corbyn ironically did.

Are you saying the public vote for him because "he's that funny bloke off the telly", quite a low opinion of them if so

[jfman]

Not all of the public (and not quite only because he’s the funny bloke off the telly) - elections aren’t won and lost across the whole population. They’re lost in the margins.

The BBC make people who went to Oxford and Cambridge relatable all the time with a public exposure/persona that a DPP does not get.