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Old 10-06-2021, 09:00   #1201
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Talking of the Irish, any news snippets on this subject from the First Minister or Deputy?

I guess they have more important issues this week, and sausages can play a back role
I was having a look myself. Of course, the negotiation from the Irish side of things is being done by Maroš Šefčovič of the EU Commission but this is what I am seeing;

Biden intervention in NI Protocol row 'significant' - Taoiseach
EU frustration at lack of protocol progress - Coveney
Northern Ireland faces ‘turbulent few months’ over Brexit, says Varadkar (OK deputy leader)
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Re: Britain outside the EU

It's very disappointing to see Andrew and Jon explaining things from the enemy's perspective. Johnson signed a bum deal and here we are - in difficulty.

But coming at the results of Johnson's folly from a defensive EU perspective is downright unpatriotic.

The Referendum authorised the Guvmin to leave the EU; the Remainers bemoaned this and now are in total "we told you so" mode.

It is bad that Biden sides with Ireland. He is equally of English and Irish descent (so far as I have ascertained) but he openly declares himself as Irish-American. That immediately places him with the perfidious Varadkar and Coveney. So, Biden is no friend of ours.

Then there's Coveny, the tail wagging the EU dog. I hope this all comes back to bite him when he finds his country's exports screwed because of EU intransigence. There is very little now that can stop the Unionist backlash on both Johnson and Ireland. The Marching Season (a stupidity in itself) will likely bring violence and Biden will not have protected the Belfast Agreement; the violence can't be stopped, imo, and Johnson is going to face the music for this.

But we must not give in to the EU, whose only true aim is to punish the UK for daring to leave its poxy hegemony.

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Cheers jonbxx, some good reads there, most of which seems to be concerned with a possible breakdown of the 'peace process' . . and a return to the bad old days I guess, although that, like the Palestine/Israel thing, won't go away.

No mention of sausages anywhere, either because the articles are slightly dated or it's only the English press that reduce a top story to the base ingredient of 'sausages'

I was hoping I'd find . . anywhere . . a quote from a NI butcher, along the lines of "my customers will only purchase the finest products from local farmers, why would I cut my throat trying to sell them English meat?"

Anyway, sausages are old news now that 'Biden the Bold' has arrived to make everything perfect (like in the USA)
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Cheers jonbxx, some good reads there, most of which seems to be concerned with a possible breakdown of the 'peace process' . . and a return to the bad old days I guess, although that, like the Palestine/Israel thing, won't go away.

No mention of sausages anywhere, either because the articles are slightly dated or it's only the English press that reduce a top story to the base ingredient of 'sausages'

I was hoping I'd find . . anywhere . . a quote from a NI butcher, along the lines of "my customers will only purchase the finest products from local farmers, why would I cut my throat trying to sell them English meat?"

Anyway, sausages are old news now that 'Biden the Bold' has arrived to make everything perfect (like in the USA)
what's wrong with a real meat n gut's story
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what's wrong with a real meat n gut's story
Nothing I guess, but I think 99% of the English population don't give a skinless one about who's sausages the Irish eat
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Nothing I guess, but I think 99% of the English population don't give a skinless one about who's sausages the Irish eat
But if the Irish eat the wrong sausage or eat mince n taties the European union will collapse, their whole existence relies on sausage control, that's why they're not mincing words over this issue.
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Maybe we could add a sticker to English sausage skins?

'Danger: Do Not Eat If In EU'

We could have 34 different languages on them, just to be on the safe side, and also a disclaimer for those Countries that are IN and OUT at the same side
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But if the Irish eat the wrong sausage or eat mince n taties the European union will collapse, their whole existence relies on sausage control, that's why they're not mincing words over this issue.
The Irish guzzle the same sausage ingredients at we do.
The reason why the "Irish Sausage" is not heralded as the solution should be obvious to everyone.



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The Irish guzzle the same sausage ingredients at we do.
The reason why the "Irish Sausage" is not heralded as the solution should be obvious to everyone.
Is it because the Irish sausage has the skin on the inside?
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It's very disappointing to see Andrew and Jon explaining things from the enemy's perspective. Johnson signed a bum deal and here we are - in difficulty.

But coming at the results of Johnson's folly from a defensive EU perspective is downright unpatriotic.

The Referendum authorised the Guvmin to leave the EU; the Remainers bemoaned this and now are in total "we told you so" mode.

It is bad that Biden sides with Ireland. He is equally of English and Irish descent (so far as I have ascertained) but he openly declares himself as Irish-American. That immediately places him with the perfidious Varadkar and Coveney. So, Biden is no friend of ours.

Then there's Coveny, the tail wagging the EU dog. I hope this all comes back to bite him when he finds his country's exports screwed because of EU intransigence. There is very little now that can stop the Unionist backlash on both Johnson and Ireland. The Marching Season (a stupidity in itself) will likely bring violence and Biden will not have protected the Belfast Agreement; the violence can't be stopped, imo, and Johnson is going to face the music for this.

But we must not give in to the EU, whose only true aim is to punish the UK for daring to leave its poxy hegemony.

Not sure if serious....

If you are serious then your anger/upset or whatever it is needs to be directed at the UK Government not the EU. The UK Gov signed the deal, I don't recall ever the EU placing a gun to the governments head. Do you?

There is nothing unpatriotic about what others are saying

People are saying 'told you so' because guess what, in some aspects they're correct.

If we had you in charge then the UK would not be friends with any other countries, not a great way to try and make your way in the world.

You didn't get the Brexit you wanted. Oh well, diddums. guess what in a few years time you can vote to kick them out

You voted for Brexit, I'm assuming that you voted for the Tories, The government accepted the deal from the EU.

Play your part in accepting the outcome that you're responsible for and stop bleating.
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Re: Britain outside the EU

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It's very disappointing to see Andrew and Jon explaining things from the enemy's perspective. Johnson signed a bum deal and here we are - in difficulty.

But coming at the results of Johnson's folly from a defensive EU perspective is downright unpatriotic.

The Referendum authorised the Guvmin to leave the EU; the Remainers bemoaned this and now are in total "we told you so" mode.

It is bad that Biden sides with Ireland. He is equally of English and Irish descent (so far as I have ascertained) but he openly declares himself as Irish-American. That immediately places him with the perfidious Varadkar and Coveney. So, Biden is no friend of ours.

Then there's Coveny, the tail wagging the EU dog. I hope this all comes back to bite him when he finds his country's exports screwed because of EU intransigence. There is very little now that can stop the Unionist backlash on both Johnson and Ireland. The Marching Season (a stupidity in itself) will likely bring violence and Biden will not have protected the Belfast Agreement; the violence can't be stopped, imo, and Johnson is going to face the music for this.

But we must not give in to the EU, whose only true aim is to punish the UK for daring to leave its poxy hegemony.

Wiki states he is 5/8th’s Irish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Joe_Biden
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It's very disappointing to see Andrew and Jon explaining things from the enemy's perspective. Johnson signed a bum deal and here we are - in difficulty.

But coming at the results of Johnson's folly from a defensive EU perspective is downright unpatriotic.

The Referendum authorised the Guvmin to leave the EU; the Remainers bemoaned this and now are in total "we told you so" mode.

It is bad that Biden sides with Ireland. He is equally of English and Irish descent (so far as I have ascertained) but he openly declares himself as Irish-American. That immediately places him with the perfidious Varadkar and Coveney. So, Biden is no friend of ours.

Then there's Coveny, the tail wagging the EU dog. I hope this all comes back to bite him when he finds his country's exports screwed because of EU intransigence. There is very little now that can stop the Unionist backlash on both Johnson and Ireland. The Marching Season (a stupidity in itself) will likely bring violence and Biden will not have protected the Belfast Agreement; the violence can't be stopped, imo, and Johnson is going to face the music for this.

But we must not give in to the EU, whose only true aim is to punish the UK for daring to leave its poxy hegemony.

If you want to sort things out, you need an honest assessment of the situation. Pretending we're playing cowboys and indians with an enemy is a tad simplistic.

I would also highlight that it's not pro-anyone to point out that Biden values the Irish vote back home. It's also not pro-anyone that the Democrats see the Good Friday Agreement as one of their strongest diplomatic achievements, to be strongly defended.

And it's not Jon, me or the EU who issued the UK with a démarche, a formal diplomatic reprimand, for inflaming the rhetoric in Northern Ireland. That was the USA.

There seem to be four options:
1) Kick the tin can down the road and agree a postponement
2) As you have suggested, we can go for veterinary equivalence and sign up to EU rules. But as Jon has warned, we then risk being described as a vassal state
3) We don't supply chilled meats, etc to Northern Ireland
4) We break an international treaty and carry on supplying NI with chilled meat products, etc past the deadline of 30th June.

If you're David Frost, which one would you choose? Or is there another option?
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Number 3 . . all the way . . final answer etc etc.

Kills the problem stone dead, frees everyone up to go searching for the next sticking point that this will undoubtedly create
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It's very disappointing to see Andrew and Jon explaining things from the enemy's perspective. Johnson signed a bum deal and here we are - in difficulty.

But coming at the results of Johnson's folly from a defensive EU perspective is downright unpatriotic.

The Referendum authorised the Guvmin to leave the EU; the Remainers bemoaned this and now are in total "we told you so" mode.

It is bad that Biden sides with Ireland. He is equally of English and Irish descent (so far as I have ascertained) but he openly declares himself as Irish-American. That immediately places him with the perfidious Varadkar and Coveney. So, Biden is no friend of ours.

Then there's Coveny, the tail wagging the EU dog. I hope this all comes back to bite him when he finds his country's exports screwed because of EU intransigence. There is very little now that can stop the Unionist backlash on both Johnson and Ireland. The Marching Season (a stupidity in itself) will likely bring violence and Biden will not have protected the Belfast Agreement; the violence can't be stopped, imo, and Johnson is going to face the music for this.

But we must not give in to the EU, whose only true aim is to punish the UK for daring to leave its poxy hegemony.

Well hello!!!

I have just completed a sales straining course and have been reviewing the notes. Loud and clear throughout is the absolute need to understand the customers needs and expectations and also potential objections. This lets you pitch your sales in the correct way for that specific customer. We are a customer of the EU and the EU is a customer of the UK. Each party has their own needs, expectations and objections and understanding and appreciating them allows you to understand what you can get and what you can't.

If I called my customers the enemy if they said 'no' to me, I wouldn't be in a job very long. 'No' is as an important signal as 'yes' because the next question is 'why' and from there, there is potential for movement or compromise.

I want what is best for the UK. Now the details of what I consider the best and what you consider the best might be different but the overarching sentiment is the same. To be called unpatriotic because my views are different from yours is not fair unless you and you alone are in the position of what is best and can prove that all other positions are not as good as yours.
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Well hello!!!

I have just completed a sales straining course and have been reviewing the notes. Loud and clear throughout is the absolute need to understand the customers needs and expectations and also potential objections. This lets you pitch your sales in the correct way for that specific customer. We are a customer of the EU and the EU is a customer of the UK. Each party has their own needs, expectations and objections and understanding and appreciating them allows you to understand what you can get and what you can't.

If I called my customers the enemy if they said 'no' to me, I wouldn't be in a job very long. 'No' is as an important signal as 'yes' because the next question is 'why' and from there, there is potential for movement or compromise.

I want what is best for the UK. Now the details of what I consider the best and what you consider the best might be different but the overarching sentiment is the same. To be called unpatriotic because my views are different from yours is not fair unless you and you alone are in the position of what is best and can prove that all other positions are not as good as yours.
Exactly. Explaining the EU's needs (eg to maintain the integrity of Single Market) is not being unpatriotic. It is intelligence that helps you to decide how best to approach negotiations. I dread to imagine how Seph's approach would play out around some of the board rooms I've sat in. Let's just say, I would ensure my mortgage was paid off before I took such an approach!
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