Norway: Terror attacks

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

From the last link

While glad the death toll has been revised downwards it is still a shocking massacre Maggy and our thoughts are with the parents and families.

[Kymmy]

I see that Norway is now looking at other charges to try to raise the limited term of imprisonment.. Latest thought is crimes against humanity which has a limit of 30 years.

It'll be interesting to see if any of the victims were nationals of other countries as that then opens up the possibility of putting him away for 20 years then charging him in another country for another term (as long as their judicial limitations allow it)

Originally Posted by denphone

While glad the death toll has been revised downwards it is still a shocking massacre Maggy and our thoughts are with the parents and families.

I never said it wasn't.I was merely making sure everyone had the FACTS.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

I see that Norway is now looking at other charges to try to raise the limited term of imprisonment.. Latest thought is crimes against humanity which has a limit of 30 years.

It'll be interesting to see if any of the victims were nationals of other countries as that then opens up the possibility of putting him away for 20 years then charging him in another country for another term (as long as their judicial limitations allow it)

Forget terrorism, Surely he is guilty of mass murder. He should receive a life sentence for everybody he killed.

That'll keep him in.

[Hom3r]

lawyer calims he might be insane

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...Geir_Lippestad

No poo Sherlock, like a sane man would kill children.

Any bets that Norway changes its prison times for mass murderers after this.

Question about the max 21 years is that for all the deaths or each death?

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

lawyer calims he might be insane

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...Geir_Lippestad

No poo Sherlock, like a sane man would kill children.

Any bets that Norway changes its prison times for mass murderers after this.

Question about the max 21 years is that for all the deaths or each death?

Insanity has specific legal connotations that will affect his trial. I am actually inclined to say he's not insane.

Very easy to play the insanity card - I think he knows that what he has done was completely wrong and against the law even though he has denied that, I think he is more than likely annoyed with himself now for not turning the gun on himself.

Originally Posted by Mick

Very easy to play the insanity card - I think he knows that what he has done was completely wrong and against the law even though he has denied that, I think he is more than likely annoyed with himself now for not turning the gun on himself.

What I want him to see is how his actions had completely the wrong effect and has actually melded Norwegian society together..

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Mick

Very easy to play the insanity card - I think he knows that what he has done was completely wrong and against the law even though he has denied that, I think he is more than likely annoyed with himself now for not turning the gun on himself.

I think he believes what he did was right. from what I've read and images (which are limited, but telling, none the less) I've seen of him since the attacks, he is apparently eating well, talking openly and frankly about what he did, is co-operating fully with the police, is calm and shows no remorse for his actions. these behaviours after commiting such acts would be consistent with a level of self-belief, not guilt or shame which he would have to show were he to 'know' what he did was wrong.

I feel this is down to paranoia and narcissism and maybe even sociopathic tendancies. he's going to love being in the spotlight over this. it will help him get his 'message' to the masses. the media is giving him exactly what he wants - notoriety and elevation. if he didn't want to see that happen, he would likely have put a bullet in his own head after the attacks were complete, but he let himself be caught and arrested.

he's obviously a dangerous man, and he likes that label. hopefully, he won't like being locked up for life. I think his only fear in this whole scenario is that he gets forgotten about. he had to do something big in order to be remembered, but will we remember his name in a year's time? that's what he is worried about, imo.

[denphone]

To me the most appropriate punishment for this evil man is the death penalty.

He sounds like a Psychopath. Lack of empathy is pretty much the textbook definition.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

Very easy to play the insanity card - I think he knows that what he has done was completely wrong and against the law even though he has denied that, I think he is more than likely annoyed with himself now for not turning the gun on himself.

He said it was wrong but necessary and I don't think it was ever his intention to shoot himself or allow the authorities to shoot him either. What has annoyed the little twerp is that his case was heard behind a closed session so he couldn't spout of his motives or ideology, plus he's being kept in solitary for 28 days so he doesn't even have the prison audience.

[idi banashapan]

Originally Posted by Damien

He sounds like a Psychopath. Lack of empathy is pretty much the textbook definition.

lack of empathy is more noticable in sociopathy. Psychopaths are good at emulating emotion in order to gain trust and thus increase the chances of success when building abond or blend. without knowing if he shows any kind of emotive traits (be them real or fake), it's hard to pinpoint.

at this stage, it's better to look at other traits, such as does he have a social life? can he hold a steady job? is he of a nervous disposition? where the attacks planned? it's these that will give us as civilians a better understanding (obviously, those interviewing him will know a lot better than us). if he is more social, it points to Psychopathy. if he holds a steady job, it points to psychopathy. if he isn't a nervous type, it points to psychopathy. if the planned the attacks maticulously, it points to psychopathy.

I'm pretty sure someone who is building the profile will have a lot of info available to them, including the man himself. but just going by a lack of shown empathy alone is not enough.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

He said it was wrong but necessary and I don't think it was ever his intention to shoot himself or allow the authorities to shoot him either. What has annoyed the little twerp is that his case was heard behind a closed session so he couldn't spout of his motives or ideology, plus he's being kept in solitary for 28 days so he doesn't even have the prison audience.

exactly right. it must be doing his head in.

[Hom3r]

Texts between Mother & daughter (she survived)

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor..._Julie_Bremnes

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Texts between Mother & daughter (she survived)

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor..._Julie_Bremnes

How terrifying for them both in this unbelievable situation.