Coronavirus (OLD)

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Julian

BBC reporting that Premier league and EFL suspended until at least 4th April Here

I would be quite happy if football was banned forever.

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by jfman

So containment is possible and is the most effective method

It's possible, but it just puts off the inevitable. You can't contain for ever.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

That extreme level of containment for 7 weeks or more?

China and Italy had other parts of their countries that could support and supply the severely affected areas. If the whole of mainland Europe goes into extreme lockdown, where are the support and supplies going to come from?

The whole country isn't a "severely affected area" (yet). It will be if we don't take sensible actions now.

You've also arrived at the 7 week figure arbitrarily. You're also assuming all or mainland Europe would to into isolation that's not necessary either.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

I would be quite happy if football was banned forever.

Man after my own heart.

Originally Posted by jfman

The whole country isn't a "severely affected area" (yet). It will be if we don't take sensible actions now.

You've also arrived at the 7 week figure arbitrarily. You're also assuming all or mainland Europe would to into isolation that's not necessary either.

You really are a proper black belt keyboard warrior aren’t you.

Unless you’ve been privy to some high level briefing we’re unaware of, everything you’ve said is arbitrary.

Originally Posted by Chris

You really are a proper black belt keyboard warrior aren’t you.

Unless you’ve been privy to some high level briefing we’re unaware of, everything you’ve said is arbitrary.

Surely that's keyboard 'expert'?

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

The whole country isn't a "severely affected area" (yet). It will be if we don't take sensible actions now.

You've also arrived at the 7 week figure arbitrarily. You're also assuming all or mainland Europe would to into isolation that's not necessary either.

The 7 week figure came from this.

Two local filmmakers have been recording life inside Wuhan, the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak, for over 50 days since the city went under lockdown in January.

Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Italy. That's a major chunk of nearby Europe.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

The 7 week figure came from this.

Ireland, France, Germany, Spain, Italy. That's a major chunk of nearby Europe.

The China figure is based on China having cases throughout December that it was unaware of.

Europe had a far better chance of identifying imported cases so wouldn't, managed properly of course, require the same level of quarantine.

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Originally Posted by Chris

You really are a proper black belt keyboard warrior aren’t you.

Unless you’ve been privy to some high level briefing we’re unaware of, everything you’ve said is arbitrary.

No more arbitrary than the nonsense that the UK government is hiding behind.

If we applied the same logic globally in 2003 we could have developed herd immunity to the original SARS. Just lost a few on the way.

The vast majority of Coronavirus cases in the UK will now not be counted and we can pretend it was a huge success.

When we inevitably close schools - probably the week after next - what happens to all the old people nomadking is so concerned about?

Informative, calm link here from an expert on what is being done, and why it's different from previous epidemics/pandemics.

https://theconversation.com/coronavi...facebookbutton

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Informative, calm link here from an expert on what is being done, and why it's different from previous epidemics/pandemics.

https://theconversation.com/coronavi...facebookbutton

Some of that information there ties in with the Robert Koch Institute findings in Germany.

https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/...76792bodyText2

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

No more arbitrary than the nonsense that the UK government is hiding behind.

The Government is following to the letter, the advice of the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Science Officer. You are neither. you know nothing compared to them.

So you can bleat all you want.

The vast majority of Coronavirus cases in the UK will now not be counted

Counting the cases is a total irrelevance, what difference does it make?

As of yesterday we had something around 500 confirmed cases, the Chief Medical Officer advised the true figure would probably be around 10,000.

We don't have the capacity to test everyone and we don't need to. Only the serious cases count now.

Which is why we have to stem the flow of infection so that there are enough intensive care beds for the most serious cases.

It's not difficult to understand.

Around 70-80% of the UK will become infected, the important thing is now to ensure they are not all infected at once because the system will fail and more will die and that has nothing to do with the level of resource and investment in the NHS. The NHS would buckle in such a situation no matter how much money we had thrown at it.

What other countries have done or are doing, is irrelevant.

Now stay at home, if you've been out wash your hands as soon as you get home and ride it out.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jfman

The China figure is based on China having cases throughout December that it was unaware of.

Europe had a far better chance of identifying imported cases so wouldn't, managed properly of course, require the same level of quarantine.

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No more arbitrary than the nonsense that the UK government is hiding behind.

If we applied the same logic globally in 2003 we could have developed herd immunity to the original SARS. Just lost a few on the way.

The vast majority of Coronavirus cases in the UK will now not be counted and we can pretend it was a huge success.

When we inevitably close schools - probably the week after next - what happens to all the old people nomadking is so concerned about?

The thing with SARS and that other recent one was, iirc that victims weren't contagious until they were really ill, it's the opposite with this and I didn't like what was said earlier about herd immunity either, 60% of us have to get it, goodness knows how many will die if that's the case

[downquark1]

SARS was more deadly but more easily contained.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The Government is following to the letter, the advice of the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Science Officer. You are neither. you know nothing compared to them.

So you can bleat all you want.

Do other countries not have people qualified people of equivalent standing? Well they can't all be right.

You are unfortunately stuck in the colonial days, where Britainnia ruled the waves and Brits knew best.

Counting the cases is a total irrelevance, what difference does it make?

It can hardly be considered to be irrelevant to identify where cases are taking place to isolate the people and communities most likely to be carriers. Many, non-Conservative voters, and those in other countries would consider such actions prudent.

As of yesterday we had something around 500 confirmed cases, the Chief Medical Officer advised the true figure would probably be around 10,000.

We don't have the capacity to test everyone and we don't need to. Only the serious cases count now.

We don't have the capacity yes, need to? Well, the effective testing regime in South Korea appears to be working. Essentially, we have manufactured a reasoning to justify being underprepared for this eventually, and swallowing it. Indeed if we don't have an accurate count when do we deploy more serious measures as we approach the peak?

Which is why we have to stem the flow of infection so that there are enough intensive care beds for the most serious cases.

Yet, we are not actively stemming the infection.

It's not difficult to understand.

For you, it evidently is.

Around 70-80% of the UK will become infected,

Because this Government allows it.

the important thing

As defined by this Government

is now to ensure they are not all infected at once because the system will fail and more will die and that has nothing to do with the level of resource and investment in the NHS. The NHS would buckle in such a situation no matter how much money we had thrown at it.

What other countries have done or are doing, is irrelevant.

For a global pandemic what other countries do is entirely relevant.

Now stay at home, if you've been out wash your hands as soon as you get home and ride it out.

Stay at home isn't the advice. Go to work if you have no symptoms is the advice. Go to football matches - until of course a football manager got infected.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Chris

Of course not, because when it comes to it the Chinese will end a large gathering with tanks. For better or worse, the subjects of the dictatorship that runs China know not to overstep the mark.

A woman rang Radio 4 this morning, she lives in Italy and said that people are only allowed out of their homes & back gardens for exceptional reasons with a letter of some sort. She went on to say that the police were stopping people found on the streets to check they had permission to be outside.