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Old 11-01-2018, 10:50   #1546
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Someone is worried he is fading out of the spotlight...
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Old 11-01-2018, 10:53   #1547
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Re: Brexit discussion

There is certainly case for a vote on the final deal, as none of us know what it contains or might entail.

As for Farage, think Damien has go it spot on. He's still outraged at not getting a knighthood.....
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Britain has already agreed free-trade deals in principle with dozens of non-EU countries - ready to take effect the day after Brexit Day in March 2019, an ex-minister has revealed.

Lord Price, who resigned as an international trade minister in September, said Britain had exchanged letters with 36 countries agreeing to roll-over existing EU free trade agreements after we leave.

He told the Commons International Trade Committee that the department was offering countries three options: to cut and paste existing EU FTAs; an agreement to continue on the same basis until a new deal can be reached, and a brand new FTA.

A small number of countries initially preferred the third option but changed their minds when ministers said they couldn’t start negotiations until March 2019.

Lord Price said: “Everybody I met said what they wanted to do that - and have the current agreement preserved in April 2019”.

His Brexit boost came as leading Brexit-backing businessmen told chief EU negotiator Michel Barnier there was “no way the UK is going to reverse its decision on Brexit”.
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So no protracted trade talks lasting years then as we were confidently predicted by the remoaners. Another myth busted.
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Source = 'the Sun'. I've learnt that now
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Re: Brexit discussion

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So no protracted trade talks lasting years then as we were confidently predicted by the remoaners. Another myth busted.
This offer was known ages ago. We said to countries that we indeed to keep the existing trade deals if they would agree but we have no idea if those countries would accept those terms. Remember they agreed trade deals with the EU and each side made concessions that the EU in mind.

It would be great if we could just inherit existing trade deals but there are a number of reasons to be skeptical. If Canada for example made concessions based on the fact they could sell Maple Syrup to 500 million possible customers they might not make the same concessions to a population of 65 possible customers. Also there isn't a thing called a rolled over trade deal. These would have to be new deals based on current agreements and reapproved by their respective parliaments.

This article doesn't say these deals have been agreed, in fact they specifically say they haven't, but that this guy is claiming some people (who?) from same nations (which ones?) have expressed an interest. The Sun is making out this is a done deal as if all the barriers to such a process didn't exist and could be decided by some people some guy spoke too.

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As for Farage, think Damien has go it spot on. He's still outraged at not getting a knighthood.....
There are no senior people in the Brexit camp that think this is a good idea. He wants to stir demons up and throw himself into the middle of it all.
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Source = 'the Sun'. I've learnt that now
I used to use "Linky"

But you don't know how to construct it though.

When the news is quoted from senior government figures that's usually factual enough even in the Sun.
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Re: Brexit discussion

Personally I'd think better of Farage if he resigned as MEP and forswore the pension he's going to receive from the EU. But he's so good at accusing others of hypocrisy and failing to see it in himself.
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Someone is worried he is fading out of the spotlight...
When you have a ego as big as his what else do you expect.
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When the news is quoted from senior government figures that's usually factual enough even in the Sun.
The quote is probably correct, the spin from it is not.
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The quote is probably correct, the spin from it is not.
Yep the media has learned how to spin just as much as politician's nowadays.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42649214

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Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage says he is close to backing a second EU referendum to end the "whinging and whining" of anti-Brexit campaigners.

Mr Farage told Channel 5's The Wright Stuff a fresh vote could "kill off" the Remain campaign for a generation.
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He knows it won't happen but needs more attention.
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He knows it won't happen but needs more attention.
He and Blair are carved from the same block of stone.

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The quote is probably correct, the spin from it is not.
Agreed. I think most have people have learnt this about the tabloids by now.
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Agreed. I think most have people have learnt this about the tabloids by now.
At least the Sun is positive about good news for Brexit unlike the relentless negativity of the BBC that always preceded good economic news with "Despite Brexit"

All the mass media indulge in spin. It's par for the course.
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At least the Sun is positive about good news for Brexit unlike the relentless negativity of the BBC that always preceded good economic news with "Despite Brexit"

All the mass media indulge in spin. It's par for the course.
The Sun might be positive about stuff because it makes it up or simply repeats good news.
If you're after a publication that reinforces your views and has strong sports coverage then it's a good read. It won't inform you in the same way that The Guardian or Telegraph will do despite their prejudices.
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