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Old 22-12-2017, 21:57   #931
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Yes remind us all how united and scandal free Labour is under Corbyn. What's happened to Keith Vaz I wonder. Search and ye shall find... Vast numbers of Labour MP's hate Corbyn but are scared of Momentum loonies. They have the audacity to criticise May's handling of Brexit yet if you ask what their policy is you'll find it impossible to get the same answer from virtually any of their front bench which is why Corbyn avoids Brexit like the plague during PMQs. If it wasn't so pathetic it'd be laughable yet some people still suck up their nonsense because they see/hear what they want to rather than what's being said/done...
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I must say, I have been taken aback by the number of people on this forum who would vote for Corbyn in a heartbeat.

I know that some people would vote Labour no matter who was the leader of the party.

But honestly, Jeremy Corbyn? The same man who praises terrorists, sided with the IRA instead of Britain in the Troubles and is an non apologetic Marxist Communist? Who can't get anyone of any integrity or substance to serve in his Shadow Cabinet?

I despair sometimes.
Well if the Labour party won the next election it would be the democratic will of the people so you'd just have to suck it up and accept it.

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Old 22-12-2017, 22:33   #932
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Well if the Labour party won the next election it would be the democratic will of the people so you'd just have to suck it up and accept it.

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The democratic will suggests, they won’t win. A lot of people won’t want a socialist country.
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Old 22-12-2017, 22:36   #933
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The democratic will suggests, they won’t win. A lot of people won’t want a socialist country.
Corbyn's main cronies aren't socialists, they're Marxists just as nasty beneath the surface as any others.

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Well if the Labour party won the next election it would be the democratic will of the people so you'd just have to suck it up and accept it.

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What you mean like you remainers have?
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Old 22-12-2017, 22:40   #934
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I must say, I have been taken aback by the number of people on this forum who would vote for Corbyn in a heartbeat.

I know that some people would vote Labour no matter who was the leader of the party.

But honestly, Jeremy Corbyn? The same man who praises terrorists, sided with the IRA instead of Britain in the Troubles and is an non apologetic Marxist Communist? Who can't get anyone of any integrity or substance to serve in his Shadow Cabinet?

I despair sometimes.
If people don't feel like the current system is working for them, if they feel like they have little investment in it, then they don't have much to lose. That's something Remainers found out to our cost in the referendum. Preaching about economic stability is pointless when people are already feeling left behind, have few prospects and their local area is declining.

This is still true of many in the country but in addition to that you have young people who've been on the receiving end of the majority of the cuts. All in the name of paying back a debt they never ran up. Tuition fees tripled, house prices souring and a decade of stagnation with no end in sight. Their support systems have been pulled out from under them: EMA, councillors, job seekers allowance.

The burden of austerity has disproportionately been placed on the young. People under 30. And for all the pain it's caused there has been little progress until this year when the target was thrown out entirely. All that for nothing.

The Tories either need to address this or they'll find people are willing to take the risk with Corbyn but the alternatives offer more of the same. I don't support Corbyn, I don't think his policies add up, practical or actually exist in many places but the last election showed us that a lot of people clearly are willing to give them a go anyway. The Tories need better answer than poxy railcards.
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Old 22-12-2017, 23:30   #935
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Corbyn's main cronies aren't socialists, they're Marxists just as nasty beneath the surface as any others.

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What you mean like you remainers have?
Don't know why you think I voted to remain?

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Old 23-12-2017, 00:18   #936
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I must say, I have been taken aback by the number of people on this forum who would vote for Corbyn in a heartbeat.

I know that some people would vote Labour no matter who was the leader of the party.

But honestly, Jeremy Corbyn? The same man who praises terrorists, sided with the IRA instead of Britain in the Troubles and is an non apologetic Marxist Communist? Who can't get anyone of any integrity or substance to serve in his Shadow Cabinet?

I despair sometimes.
I'm no fan of Corbyn but does he currently praise terrorists? I doubt it.

Plenty of people who voted for Brexit and Corbyn as they felt their communities were left behind and the EU and capitalism contributed to the situation. I don't agree with their conclusions but I can sympathise with why they made those decisions.
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Old 23-12-2017, 05:47   #937
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The democratic will suggests, they won’t win. A lot of people won’t want a socialist country.
Indeed they do not but nor do they want a country of unfettered Capitalism either..
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Jeremy Hunt a well liked bloke in the NHS role tipped to become Dep Prime Minister... I double despair. I was taken aback to see how many Tory supporters there are on this forum.
Therd is absolutely no comparison, richard. Jeremy Hunt is not a threat to the security of this country, and he's done nothing wrong with the NHS.

At least he doesn't expect patients to drink out of vases. Labour did.

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I'm no fan of Corbyn but does he currently praise terrorists? I doubt it.

Plenty of people who voted for Brexit and Corbyn as they felt their communities were left behind and the EU and capitalism contributed to the situation. I don't agree with their conclusions but I can sympathise with why they made those decisions.
The word 'currently' is interesting.

While I appreciate some may feel they are being left behind, voting for a pzrty that would bring the country to economic collapse really doesn't cut it.

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Well if the Labour party won the next election it would be the democratic will of the people so you'd just have to suck it up and accept it.

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No, emigrate, actually. And after a year or two of Corbyn, you would finally understand why.

Incidentally, he is Communist, not Socialist. Big difference.

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Indeed they do not but nor do they want a country of unfettered Capitalism either..
We don't have unfettered Capitalism in this country, actually, Den. We have a mixed economy.

Until Corbyn came along, we have had a consensus on that.
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Old 23-12-2017, 10:10   #939
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Therd is absolutely no comparison, richard. Jeremy Hunt is not a threat to the security of this country, and he's done nothing wrong with the NHS.

At least he doesn't expect patients to drink out of vases. Labour did.
What planet are you on ? as he and others has done plenty wrong with the NHS unless one has rose tinted glasses on.

Now where shall l start..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38887694

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...d-deficit-2020

http://www.health.org.uk/news/system...ng-nhs-deficit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-41304164

https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-crisi...hreat-10552564
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Don't know why you think I voted to remain?

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Well I can't think why. Oh, maybe because I never see much positive about Brexit from you but if I'm wrong then feel free to amend my comment to:

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Yes, Merry Christmas Mick, goodwill to all men and all that cobblers ! Sometimes humour is lacking on here, but at least we've got Donald

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Interesting, Den, that you think the ageing population, incresing immigration and Labour's economic legacy are all Jeremy Hunt's fault!

I certainly know what planet I'm on. Not sure about you, though!
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