[Updated] New petrol & diesel car sales banned from 2030

[spiderplant]

the site comprises eight 150kW ultra-fast charging points, which enable battery recharge in 20-40 minutes

Still nothing like enough. A typical petrol station has 8 to 16 pumps and you can fill up in 5 minutes. And then you can drive twice as far until you need to fill again.

Is a national network of overhead power is the solution? Think trams or dodgem cars.

[Carth]

Back to horse drawn carriages I reckon.

Would also help fertilize the gardens everyone will need for food when electric delivery lorries to the supermarkets take 4 hours to charge for a 50 mile trip

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Is a national network of overhead power is the solution? Think trams or dodgem cars.

It could be for bigger vehicles

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...-power-lorries

The government will fund the design of a scheme to install overhead electric cables to power electric lorries on a motorway near Scunthorpe, as part of a series of studies on how to decarbonise road freight.

But that's only feasible because lorry cabs and trailers have rules around their height so you know roughly where to put the wires and how big the pantograph needs to be.

It's not as possible for private vehicles as they're all different - and the wires for lorries and buses would be too high to safely use on a smaller car, and ones for cars would be too low for other vehicles to use or pass under.

However wireless pads in the ground could be another source of charging to help improve convenience of charging access

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electr...does-it-work-/

Volvo has launched a new wireless EV charging trial in Gothenburg. The company has allocated a small fleet of electric XC40s to Cabonline – the largest taxi operator in the Nordic region – who will use the cars and the wireless charging pads over the next three years to see how well the system works in the real world.

https://www.sustainable-bus.com/infr...ynamics-buses/

Kansas City International Airport is on its way investing in wireless chargers for electric buses. The airport turned to Momentum Dynamics, becoming first airport with wireless charging for its electric bus fleet in the whole US. Such system was adopted also in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Originally Posted by spiderplant

Still nothing like enough. A typical petrol station has 8 to 16 pumps and you can fill up in 5 minutes. And then you can drive twice as far until you need to fill again.

Is a national network of overhead power is the solution? Think trams or dodgem cars.

The difference is that you can’t top up your petrol tank at home. Notwithstanding issues around high density urban housing areas where home charging is presently difficult, the future of motoring is one in which people generally go out in the morning with a full charge. It may take up to 40 minutes to charge from empty but most people aren’t going to arrive at the charger empty.

My current mileage amounts to around 200 a week which is well within the range of a decent sized electric family car. Even if I couldn’t charge at home, within the course of a normal week my car would very easily sit idly somewhere it could take advantage of a rapid charger without inconveniencing my schedule at all.

All of this requires drivers to think differently about how they plan fuel stops for their cars but that different approach does not need to be onerous.

[Carth]

Can you imagine the huge savings on energy and environmental damage due to designing, planning, building and repairing all that infrastructure . . .



no, neither can I

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Carth

Can you imagine the huge savings on energy and environmental damage due to designing, planning, building and repairing all that infrastructure . . .

no, neither can I

I can. There are going to be short term increases but the long term decreases are worth it.

And the more we do it the cheaper it should become and the easier to do - you only have to look at the improving cost vs efficiency of wind turbines to see that.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Can you imagine the huge savings on energy and environmental damage due to designing, planning, building and repairing all that infrastructure . . .



no, neither can I

The costs of cleaning up former petrol station is not cheap.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

I can. There are going to be short term increases but the long term decreases are worth it.

And the more we do it the cheaper it should become and the easier to do - you only have to look at the improving cost vs efficiency of wind turbines to see that.

Gotta love those 'long term' forecasts . . .

North Sea Gas . . . definitely cheaper now
Diesel engines . . that went well
HS2 rail link . . cut short before it's going anywhere

[Pierre]

The craze to get to Net Zero is just going to price people out of driving cars and heating their homes.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The craze to get to Net Zero is just going to price people out of driving cars

It will once the treasury brings in road pricing to replace the £40bn odd it currently takes in motoring taxes.

Electric cars will become as expensive to run as petrol and diesel are today.

[Mythica]

In my opinion, the change to electric cars is only going to work with some sort of wireless charging. Outside your home, supermarket car parks, well any carpark to be honest so it sits there charging while you're away from the car.

[heero_yuy]

The few watts it takes to charge a mobile is easy wireless. Shifting 50 to 100KW wirelessly to charge a vehicle is much more challenging and potentially dangerous.

Originally Posted by Chris

The difference is that you can’t top up your petrol tank at home.

If everyone could charge at home (which of course they cannot).
Just imagine what would happen to the National Grid if 16 million cars were plugged in every night (thats just half the UKs total cars).

Originally Posted by Paul

If everyone could charge at home (which of course they cannot).
Just imagine what would happen to the National Grid if 16 million cars were plugged in every night (thats just half the UKs total cars).

True, but this is why the ban comes in 8 years from now, and at that point is still only a ban on new sales. The policy is designed to facilitate a steady shift, not the sudden plugging of 16 million cars into the national grid tomorrow.

What will be telling will be how many more chargers there are in another 5 years, how well the on-street overnight charging issue has been addressed, and how the national grid's capacity has been increased.

[Mythica]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The few watts it takes to charge a mobile is easy wireless. Shifting 50 to 100KW wirelessly to charge a vehicle is much more challenging and potentially dangerous.

That is true and that is why battery and wireless technology needs to improve.