UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal
17-10-2019, 11:43
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
I believe it’s essentially a border in the Irish Sea, NI regulatory alignment with the EU and NI can opt out with a majority of their assembly. The big concession from the EU is essentially a way out of the backstop, a 'backstop' has been moved to the Irish Sea and renamed to compress a set of policies to avoid a hard border (VAT arrangements and regulations) rather than a hard 'stay in the customs union'. At least I think that's what's different.
But the way out of the backstop is a vote every four years, the first being four years from now, in the N.I assembly rather than the U.K Government as a whole. Significant because it's unlikely N.I will have a majority for that. The DUP wanted the power to Veto it themselves which hasn't been granted and therefore we don't know if they'll back this deal.
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17-10-2019, 12:16
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Can one of the news outlets please stick a microphone in front of Mark Francois?
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Farage wants a General Election. Ha ha.
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17-10-2019, 12:34
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Boris has won some concessions here so any ‘we want a deal’ers have little excuse.
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DUP will vote against
Deal is dead
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17-10-2019, 12:42
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Originally Posted by Damien
Boris has won some concessions here so any ‘we want a deal’ers have little excuse.
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DUP will vote against
Deal is dead
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Exactly - we loop back to my post from this morning - extension and general election.
It's hard for this situation to be blamed on anyone else but the DUP.
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17-10-2019, 12:43
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Originally Posted by Damien
Boris has won some concessions here so any ‘we want a deal’ers have little excuse.
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DUP will vote against
Deal is dead
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Well that did not last long.
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17-10-2019, 13:12
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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I believe it’s essentially a border in the Irish Sea, NI regulatory alignment with the EU and NI can opt out with a majority of their assembly. The big concession from the EU is essentially a way out of the backstop, a 'backstop' has been moved to the Irish Sea and renamed to compress a set of policies to avoid a hard border (VAT arrangements and regulations) rather than a hard 'stay in the customs union'. At least I think that's what's different.
But the way out of the backstop is a vote every four years, the first being four years from now, in the N.I assembly rather than the U.K Government as a whole. Significant because it's unlikely N.I will have a majority for that. The DUP wanted the power to Veto it themselves which hasn't been granted and therefore we don't know if they'll back this deal.
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Summarised by the BBC News at One - one thing they said about the 2nd point (NI remains in U.K. customs territory) was that EU Custom Processes would apply.
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17-10-2019, 13:26
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Legal bid at Court of Session to stop MPs debating Brexit deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50076186
first they want Parliament to remain open to discus Brexit, then they want them to stop discussing Brexit.
Don't these educated remainers understand that they're just pushing nearer to a no deal with their tactics?
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17-10-2019, 13:52
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50079385
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What is in the deal?
Most of the deal is the same as the one agreed by Theresa May last year - the main change is the Northern Ireland proposals.
- The UK will continue to abide by EU rules until the end of 2020, and possibly longer, to allow businesses to adjust
- The UK will still pay an estimated Ł39bn "divorce bill"
- The rights of EU citizens living in the UK, and UK citizens in the EU, will be guaranteed
What's changed?
- Northern Ireland will be aligned to the EU single market
- The controversial "backstop" - that critics feared could have kept the UK in a customs union with the EU indefinitely - has been removed
- Northern Ireland will instead remain a part of the UK's customs territory, so it will be included in any future trade deals struck by the government after Brexit
- But Northern Ireland will also remain an entry point into the EU's customs zone. The UK will apply tariffs to products entering Northern Ireland as long as they are not destined for onward transportation across the border
- A joint EU/UK committee will decide which goods are at risk of entering the single market and the UK will collect EU tariffs on them on behalf of the EU
- The Northern Ireland Assembly - which has been suspended since January 2017 - will get a vote every four years on whether to continue with the new trading arrangements
- The decision would be based on a simple majority, rather than requiring a majority of both unionists and nationalists to support the rules in order for them to pass
Leader of the Commons and Brexit supporter Jacob Rees-Mogg said it was a "really exciting day today in British politics" as he urged MPs to "rally round this great deal".
But Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage called for it to be rejected by Parliament, saying it would mean "we will not be making our own laws in our own country" and said the treaty "binds us in to other commitments".
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17-10-2019, 14:26
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17-10-2019, 14:32
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Legal bid at Court of Session to stop MPs debating Brexit deal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50076186
first they want Parliament to remain open to discus Brexit, then they want them to stop discussing Brexit.
Don't these educated remainers understand that they're just pushing nearer to a no deal with their tactics?
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They are doing it to push Boris into requesting an extension. Good luck with that.
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The President of the European Commission rules out granting an extension to the Brexit deadline of 31 October.
Jean-Claude Juncker tells reporters there is no need for an extension now there is a deal on the table.
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17-10-2019, 14:42
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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They are doing it to push Boris into requesting an extension. Good luck with that.
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The problem is, the EU don't an extension, and Boris doesn't want to ask for one. But if he is forced to ask for one, the EU will probably grant one.
The situation really needs the EU to be tough and say this is the deal take it or leave it - No more extensions.
That needs to come from the EU27 and Boris will making the case for them to say that tonight.
If that message comes out, Parliament has no where to go.
Brexit - followed by GE before Christmas. I hope it goes that way.
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17-10-2019, 14:45
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Juncker chose his words very carefully.
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Jean-Claude Juncker told reporters: "I was ruling out that there would be any kind of prolongation.
"If we have a deal we have a deal and there is no need for prolongation.
"That is the British view and that is my view too."
Asked about whether the Commons would allow it, he said: "I am not in charge of Parliamentary affairs of Britain."
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They only have a deal if it's passed in Parliament, and the legal text has not been issued to Parliament for review yet.
They had a deal before, but an extension was still granted.
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17-10-2019, 15:06
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Juncker chose his words very carefully.
They only have a deal if it's passed in Parliament, and the legal text has not been issued to Parliament for review yet.
They had a deal before, but an extension was still granted.
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NEW: We just doorstepped Juncker and he told us explicitly that he is ruling out extension. He said we have a deal so we don’t need one
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17-10-2019, 15:23
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Beth Rigby
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NEW: We just doorstepped Juncker and he told us explicitly that he is ruling out extension. He said we have a deal so we don’t need one
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Let's hope that is the end of it then,no more dither and delay it's deal or no deal out by the 31/10
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17-10-2019, 15:44
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
So that’s it ... we’re leaving on 31 October, deal or no deal, unless the remainers in Parliament finally break cover and try to get A50 revoked.
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