U.S Election 2016

Tory MP also banned: https://twitter.com/nadhimzahawi/sta...45925275500545

Mo Farah lives in the US while he trains. If he leaves the country he won't be able to return (unless he has already left).

May still refuses to comment even in the case of Brits who're affected. So Brits who were born in one of those countries (Mo Farah was born in Somalia for example) then they're included.

Some MPs are saying that Trump should not be invited to address Parliament on his state visit: https://twitter.com/sarahwollaston/s...06536142954496

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Damien

Some MPs are saying that Trump should not be invited to address Parliament on his state visit: https://twitter.com/sarahwollaston/s...06536142954496

Maybe MPs should boycott it. Would be a tad embarrassing if he addressed an empty chamber.

It's all so bizarre.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Here is a scenario for you all.

Trump is a Businessman, and he runs companies . He fires Directors, he reaps the rewards. He goes to Board Meeting, and decides what should be done and does it.

Running a business, and running the USA as President. Is totally different. In his companies he 'orders' several thousands of staff.

Being President, he is in charges of millions and tells the country, what should be done, and does it.

Can you see a pattern here.

He now has the biggest 'plum' running a Country. And now he has the biggest toy. And tends to think that he can play with that 'toy'

He will create such a problem here that when Congress sits, or whatever you call it. You will have a rebellion on your hands.

At the moment there must be thousands of people trying to get to there home - America. But they cannot Due to this order.

Can you see the pattern still.

Its not about terrorism, its about 'control' Trumps control. And he has the control of America

There is already problems coming from other Countries. I believe Iran has now stated it will ban Americans entering the Country

There will be Demos in the US. And Trump wont give a damn.

He has got a 'toy' and he is enjoying playing with it.

Can you imagine if a British MP goes to the US, and gets banned from entering

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Being President, he is in charges of millions and tells the country, what should be done, and does it.

Well done you've correctly interpreted what a president does.

Can you imagine if a British MP goes to the US, and gets banned from entering

No, because she has just been and it was all fine.

How is this going to stop terrorism in the US if the other Muslim countries aren't on the list? Such as those that were the origin countries of the 9/11 terrorists?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

he seems to be living up to the promises made in the run up to the election and given that he won ,it would seem he has the people on his side they knew exactly what they voted for he blurted it out at every opportunity .

Although Hillary won more votes so perhaps he doesn't have the people on his side, Trump is carrying out what he promised to do. At the time. I recall commentators suggesting that he was making populist pledges that he would not implement. So credit where it's due, even if you don't agree with his policies.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...xecutive-order

A judge has, for now, ordered that those who arrive with valid documentation (green card, visa etc) cannot be barred from entry (assuming normal checks are ok). Although it only applies if they were in transit or on American soil at the time of the judgement/signing of the order.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...xecutive-order

A judge has, for now, ordered that those who arrive with valid documentation (green card, visa etc) cannot be barred from entry (assuming normal checks are ok). Although it only applies if they were in transit or on American soil at the time of the judgement/signing of the order.

judge Donnelly, who was nominated by former president Barack Obama...
wonder how well this intervention will be received by the new administration .

Originally Posted by papa smurf

judge Donnelly, who was nominated by former president Barack Obama...
wonder how well this intervention will be received by the new administration .

They won't receive any legal challenge well. Thankful America is set-up to have to checks and balances.

It's not like it's unexpected. There is no way the arbitrary banning of legal immigrants wouldn't be itself illegal. It amounts to a sudden and forced deportation despite the person having followed the full legal process of America. People who claim they're only concerned about uncontrolled, or illegal, immigration cannot defend that.

Anyway the Director of the National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Committee has lost his (permanent) place on the national security council in favour of Steve Bannon. https://www.theatlantic.com/liveblog.../514826/14243/

Originally Posted by Maggy J

How is this going to stop terrorism in the US if the other Muslim countries aren't on the list? Such as those that were the origin countries of the 9/11 terrorists?

It's not,American citizens are responsible for most if not all terrorist attacks on USA soil since 9/11

In the post-9/11 era, conventional wisdom holds that the jihadist threat is foreign. The conventional wisdom is understandable; after all it was 19 Arab hijackers who infiltrated the United States and conducted the 9/11 attacks. Yet today, as Anwar al-Awlaki, the American born cleric who became a leader in Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, put it in a 2010 post, “Jihad is becoming as American as apple pie.” Far from being foreign infiltrators, the large majority of jihadist terrorists in the United States have been American citizens or legal residents. Moreover, while a range of citizenship statuses are represented, every jihadist who conducted a lethal attack inside the United States since 9/11 was a citizen or legal resident. In addition about a quarter of the extremists are converts, further confirming that the challenge cannot be reduced to one of immigration:

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/...re-terrorists/

[ianch99]

I am disappointed in Mrs May in not standing up the Orange One. If you appease a bully it just goes to increase his sense of validation.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am disappointed in Mrs May in not standing up the Orange One. If you appease a bully it just goes to increase his sense of validation.

when did he bully her

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by martyh

It's not,American citizens are responsible for most if not all terrorist attacks on USA soil since 9/11



https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/...re-terrorists/

This is so true but no one in the US who is supporting Trump seem to grasp this or even care about the facts on this.

The Muslims are, if you apply historical parallels (and Godwin's law), Trump's Jews. He believes that the US needs someone to fear and hate in order to be "great again".

Let's see how long the American public takes to become uncomfortable with this journey of Trumps. We can see the start of the Briebart-style "alternative facts" media strategy to deflect and obfuscate what is really happening. The US media is being positioned as the "enemy of freedom" so it certainly has a big challenge.

In fact, it took a British journalist to ask May & Trump the awkward questions that the media needs to ask to hold elected officials to account.

[nomadking]

Nobody spot the irony of people from those countries complaining, when their refugee status is meant to be based upon people from those countries being violent and dangerous.