Online Safety Bill

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I would sign up for this if it was able to remove Trolls from forums.

Sign up for the Online Safety Act?

You don't need to, everyone is covered automatically. If you are being trolled on any site the process is to complain to the site in the usual way. If they don't respond in a way that you're happy with (or at all as a lot seem to do), you can then take matters to their regulator (Ofcom) who will make a decision that both parties must abide by

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

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7% of 13-15 year old children have seen self harm content over the previous 7 days. ]

I seem to spend most of my time online, extensive 'normal' browsing etc but I've never come across anything to do with self harming in all my years so far. They must be searching for such content. Probably tallies with the level of mental health issues for that age group.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by peanut

I seem to spend most of my time online, extensive 'normal' browsing etc but I've never come across anything to do with self harming in all my years so far. They must be searching for such content. Probably tallies with the level of mental health issues for that age group.

Yes, from what the programme said they might casually search about depression or wonder how people kill themselves. The algorithm then starts serving up material like this in the same way as it would if someone searched something about a particular flower or a band.

Then, because they are depressed and thinking about suicide they become encouraged to harm themselves. Ian Russell said that his daughter didn't stand a chance after this started happening.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Yes, from what the programme said they might casually search about depression or wonder how people kill themselves. The algorithm then starts serving up material like this in the same way as it would if someone searched something about a particular flower or a band.

Then, because they are depressed and thinking about suicide they become encouraged to harm themselves. Ian Russell said that his daughter didn't stand a chance after this started happening.

I’m not aware of this story, but what action did the parent(s) take ?

[peanut]

So basically anything dodgy or harmful could or should be taken out of the algorithm, the rest then is fair game. Doesn't seem like too much to ask. But back to reality...

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

I’m not aware of this story, but what action did the parent(s) take ?

https://mollyrosefoundation.org/moll...thers-journey/

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Originally Posted by peanut

So basically anything dodgy or harmful could or should be taken out of the algorithm, the rest then is fair game. Doesn't seem like too much to ask. But back to reality...

Exactly. I think they'll be forced to act though for one reason or another.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

https://mollyrosefoundation.org/moll...thers-journey/

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Exactly. I think they'll be forced to act though for one reason or another.

No, what parental action did he the parent(s) take to monitor their childs health

[peanut]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

No, what parental action did he the parent(s) take to monitor their childs health

Can any parent control the use of a teenagers usage of the internet? They are glued to their phones, it's the norm these days.

That along with they'll never say the truth, or they could just find it hard to talk to anyone. What can parents really do? Saying that, when you read about what this girl was up to online and for how long those questions do need to be asked.

(From the Guardian).. "The darker side of Molly’s online life overwhelmed her. Of 16,300 pieces of content saved, liked or shared by Molly on Instagram in the six months before she died, 2,100 were related to suicide, self-harm and depression. She last used her iPhone to access Instagram on the day of her death, at 12.45am. Two minutes before, she had saved an image on the platform that carried a depression-related slogan.

It was on Instagram – the photo-, image- and video-sharing app – that Molly viewed some of the most disturbing pieces of content, including a montage of graphic videos containing clips relating to suicide, depression and self-harm set to music. Some videos contained scenes drawn from film and TV, including 13 Reasons Why, a US drama about a teenager’s suicide that contained episodes rated 15 or 18 in the UK. In total, Molly watched 138 videos that contained suicide and self-harm content, sometimes “bingeing” on them in batches including one session on 11 November."

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...n-social-media

The facts are you can't discipline children anymore. And parents are now weaker than ever that leaves them to accommodate their children way too much. That along with what's sociably acceptable such as teenagers and phones now go hand in hand etc. Also it's a sad fact that children are mollycoddled and no long equiped to deal with the real world.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by peanut

Can any parent control the use of a teenagers usage of the internet? They are glued to their phones, it's the norm these days.

That along with they'll never say the truth, or they could just find it hard to talk to anyone. What can parents really do? Saying that, when you read about what this girl was up to online and for how long those questions do need to be asked.

(From the Guardian).. "The darker side of Molly’s online life overwhelmed her. Of 16,300 pieces of content saved, liked or shared by Molly on Instagram in the six months before she died, 2,100 were related to suicide, self-harm and depression. She last used her iPhone to access Instagram on the day of her death, at 12.45am. Two minutes before, she had saved an image on the platform that carried a depression-related slogan.

It was on Instagram – the photo-, image- and video-sharing app – that Molly viewed some of the most disturbing pieces of content, including a montage of graphic videos containing clips relating to suicide, depression and self-harm set to music. Some videos contained scenes drawn from film and TV, including 13 Reasons Why, a US drama about a teenager’s suicide that contained episodes rated 15 or 18 in the UK. In total, Molly watched 138 videos that contained suicide and self-harm content, sometimes “bingeing” on them in batches including one session on 11 November."

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...n-social-media

The facts are you can't discipline children anymore. And parents are now weaker than ever that leaves them to accommodate their children way too much. That along with what's sociably acceptable such as teenagers and phones now go hand in hand etc. Also it's a sad fact that children are mollycoddled and no long equiped to deal with the real world.

You can control access on phones quite easily as I’ve show repeatedly either via parental controls on home internet connections or by specific SIM or hardware.
. It requires a level of effort and in some instances money.

You can discipline children, again it requires a level of parental effort and it would appear now that appeasing a child is more important than being firm yet fair with them

If a parent gives their child a mobile device OR allows them to purchase one then it’s ultimately the parents responsibility to ensure that the child uses the device in a safe and responsible manner. The end. Anything else is pure testiculation

[RichardCoulter]

Have your say about whether children should be allowed to have smartphones with access to social media. For the next 30 minutes you can call Jeremy Vine on:

Call 0207 862 2222

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Originally Posted by peanut

Can any parent control the use of a teenagers usage of the internet? They are glued to their phones, it's the norm these days.

That along with they'll never say the truth, or they could just find it hard to talk to anyone. What can parents really do? Saying that, when you read about what this girl was up to online and for how long those questions do need to be asked.

(From the Guardian).. "The darker side of Molly’s online life overwhelmed her. Of 16,300 pieces of content saved, liked or shared by Molly on Instagram in the six months before she died, 2,100 were related to suicide, self-harm and depression. She last used her iPhone to access Instagram on the day of her death, at 12.45am. Two minutes before, she had saved an image on the platform that carried a depression-related slogan.

It was on Instagram – the photo-, image- and video-sharing app – that Molly viewed some of the most disturbing pieces of content, including a montage of graphic videos containing clips relating to suicide, depression and self-harm set to music. Some videos contained scenes drawn from film and TV, including 13 Reasons Why, a US drama about a teenager’s suicide that contained episodes rated 15 or 18 in the UK. In total, Molly watched 138 videos that contained suicide and self-harm content, sometimes “bingeing” on them in batches including one session on 11 November."

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...n-social-media

The facts are you can't discipline children anymore. And parents are now weaker than ever that leaves them to accommodate their children way too much. That along with what's sociably acceptable such as teenagers and phones now go hand in hand etc. Also it's a sad fact that children are mollycoddled and no long equiped to deal with the real world.

It makes me laugh how parents say they can't think how to keep the children entertained and how it can cost so much. In our day we went out in the morning, made out own entertainment and came back when the street lights came on.

Children aren't allowed to become bored these days and that doesn't nurture or develop their imagination.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

It makes me laugh how parents say they can't think how to keep the children entertained and how it can cost so much. In our day we went out in the morning, made out own entertainment and came back when the street lights came on.

Children aren't allowed to become bored these days and that doesn't nurture or develop their imagination.

No, children aren't allow out to play anymore, parents would rather that they stay indoors and play on the computer or game consoles. It's now the fear of the child snatcher paedos on every street corner it seems. They can't leave the house without being tracked with their mobile phones too so they won't give them up either. Just over protective and now the norm.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by peanut

No, children aren't allow out to play anymore, parents would rather that they stay indoors and play on the computer or game consoles. It's now the fear of the child snatcher paedos on every street corner it seems. They can't leave the house without being tracked with their mobile phones too so they won't give them up either. Just over protective and now the norm.

Yep. Ironically they are much more likely to be approached by a paedophile online as they perceive it as less risky to approach a child in this way than on the streets.

[RichardCoulter]

On today's Jeremy Vine show when parents have tried to take away their Smartphones a headmistress called Katherine (who confiscates children's phones at the start of the day) says that parents have had a terrible time if they too try to confiscate them. Children have threatened to go on hunger strike or walk out of the door and never come back.

Some children, upon being given a book to read for the first time, were trying to move their finger across like a phone to read it!

This sounds like a joke but she said it was perfectly true.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

On today's Jeremy Vine show

A surefire way to discover established, grounded and rational discourse on any subject matter.

Some children, upon being given a book to read for the first time, were trying to move their finger across like a phone to read it!

This sounds like a joke but she said it was perfectly true.

This fails the sniff test. The child may interact with their first book at a simple level based on experience of touchscreen devices they may have handled before (e.g. when shown a video by a parent).

In practice this is no different from a young child putting a pen up its nose or in its ear. Or eating plasticine. It’s experimenting with the world around it.

Nobody is teaching their kid to read at home on a iPad then sending them to nursery or school with no concept of paper books.

These days, you could probably have stopped at just this point.

Originally Posted by jfman

Nobody is teaching their kid to read at home ...