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Old 20-10-2019, 11:30   #1456
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I love how carefully crafted “his” letter is. Hope the Civil Servants and lawyers got overtime for pulling it together on a Saturday.
I believe (could be wrong) that the letter is basically a 'copy' of the lawful statute passed . . . attempting to rip it apart means attacking the very thing they themselves passed


edit: aah maybe read your post wrongly, apologies if so . .
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Old 20-10-2019, 11:36   #1457
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I believe (could be wrong) that the letter is basically a 'copy' of the lawful statute passed . . . attempting to rip it apart means attacking the very thing they themselves passed

edit: aah maybe read your post wrongly, apologies if so . .
I could have been clearer. His side letter where he sort of says he doesn’t want an extension without actually saying it.
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I could have been clearer. His side letter where he sort of says he doesn’t want an extension without actually saying it.
Got ya

I reckon that letter will have been put together weeks ago
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I could have been clearer. His side letter where he sort of says he doesn’t want an extension without actually saying it.
I imagine the phone calls will have made his meaning quite clear.
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It doesn't matter I don't think. We're distracted by the noise. In the end he has abided by the Benn bill and a request has been sent. Legally it seems not to matter at all that he didn't sign it or sent another letter saying he thinks it's a bad idea, he didn't even say don't grant us one.
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It doesn't matter I don't think. We're distracted by the noise. In the end he has abided by the Benn bill and a request has been sent. Legally it seems not to matter at all that he didn't sign it or sent another letter saying he thinks it's a bad idea, he didn't even say don't grant us one.
Indeed. It’s good optics for Boris going into a General Election.
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I suspect that the courts will get him. He has committed to the Scottish court to send the letter.

I’ve seen past judgements where the courts go to Hansard to assess what Parliament intended when they passed the Benn Act. There can be little doubt that Parliament intended him to sign the letter and that didn’t need spelling out in the Act particularly as Boris’s trick has the effect of negating what Parliament intended.

Also there is no appeal in criminal cases to the ECJ except on grounds of failure to process the case properly.
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It hasn’t negated what Parliament intended. The EU have a valid extension request.

What they aren’t doing is making a decision yet. This is perhaps understandable as it allows Johnson the chance to keep pressure on Parliament to back his deal tomorrow or Tuesday. If they haven’t done so/refuse to do so the EU will grant the extension later this week.
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Wrong, they include forecasts of additional trade we may get as a result of Brexit. But we've done this argument to death before and I accept that you believe all civil servants and advisers to the UK Government, CBI, Chambers of Commerce and Conservative Party have secretly conspired together.
What I am saying is that there are far too many unmeasurables in assessing how business will react to their new freedoms. The forecasts are very speculative, formed by well meaning people one supposes, who are tasked with a challenge that is like pinning a jelly to the wall. There are far too many imponderables to put accurate figures to this.

It is comparatively straight forward to measure what we will lose, but assessing what we will gain is a forecaster's nightmare.
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If anything at all.
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I suspect that the courts will get him. He has committed to the Scottish court to send the letter.

I’ve seen past judgements where the courts go to Hansard to assess what Parliament intended when they passed the Benn Act. There can be little doubt that Parliament intended him to sign the letter and that didn’t need spelling out in the Act particularly as Boris’s trick has the effect of negating what Parliament intended.

Also there is no appeal in criminal cases to the ECJ except on grounds of failure to process the case properly.
I think he has abided by the request though and it seems the EU think they've got it too. All they're saying is 'we've received the request'. No one cares if it's signed or not because that's not a thing.
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A copy of the 2nd letter has been leaked online...
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Haha.

Entertainingly the "photocopy" isn't a copy of the schedule on the act at all. It's had formatting changes so someone still typed it out for Boris.
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If anything at all.
I don't see how agreeing new trade deals with countries all around the world would not benefit us. How will it make us poorer?
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I don't see how agreeing new trade deals with countries all around the world would not benefit us. How will it make us poorer?
If they're not as good as the ones in place already, that we got by being part of the EU?

Who has more bargaining power - a very large chain of supermarkets, or a small local group of local shops?
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